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Having worked hard for six months to attach three certs to my resume(OCP(DBA),OCP(DEVELOPER), SCJP). I am realizing no one gives a damn about them. Employers notice only experience not these
electronic logos from the resume. In fact, I am considering removing them as that in fact may play negative, like Long & Foster sending
a listing of home on sale ... Many experienced are very skeptical of them .. they all mean you had nothing better to do so took the test
It was a $1200 wash. Good Bye!!
Wow, that's a suprise :confused:
I don't agree completely. Employers don't care about OCP degrees because they simply don't know what that means. The many experienced are not skeptical, they are afraid they will not pass because they are experienced in their daily tasks, which is nothing compared to what you need to know in order to pass the Oracle tests.Quote:
Originally posted by ocp9999
Having worked hard for six months to attach three certs to my resume(OCP(DBA),OCP(DEVELOPER), SCJP). I am realizing no one gives a damn about them. Employers notice only experience not these
electronic logos from the resume. In fact, I am considering removing them as that in fact may play negative, like Long & Foster sending
a listing of home on sale ... Many experienced are very skeptical of them .. they all mean you had nothing better to do so took the test
It was a $1200 wash. Good Bye!!
I don't (too) fully agree there though...
[1] You've certainly learned something there, I mean dba/developer/java..whoah..there's a lot you've learnt...
[2] Employer's sometimes ignore because they're looking for something else as well besides the cert...
[3] In almost 80% of my interviews they've emphasized the importance of certifying (I remember once in one interview I pointed out hte futility of the cert, and he said "unfortunately, it's important for us to know that you're willing to learn and certify..", Ooops I thought)
[4] Getting a job is also about someone putting in a good word for you.
[5] You want to also have your resume emphasize on your practical experience alongside the certifications. Like what dba/developer(pl/sql,java)activities you carried out...
It's not a complete waste. No Sir.
this is very clear to me that many seniors are VERY afraid to take OCP exam. But they know how to do theirs daily job as a DBA. this is my personal and practical experience.
If you feel you've wasted your money on certification and you didn't get anything out of it, then maybe your trying to specialise in the wrong area.Quote:
Originally posted by ocp9999
It was a $1200 wash. Good Bye!!
I am not sure how it goes when certified and looking for a job but
If you are on a job and certified ..most of employers think that the employee is keen to learn some new stuff etc..
Sorry it didn't worked for you.......
Good luck ...
If you proofread your resume as well as your proofread your posts, it is no wonder you have yet to find a job. Certifications or not.
The problem is not the certification, but the expectations. There are too many that rely on OCP hoping they'll get a good job. That's not true, definitely.
On the other side, it's not useless. At least for me, OCP was a great chance I had to learn and review some topics that I just need to recall eventually. If I didn't have the exam objective, I probably wouldn't find time or motivation to study. :)
Even now, after 6 exams and a nice logo on my resumè, I usually stuck on little details and need to read reference guides or stuff like that. That's absolutely normal, nobody knows everything. At least all the time spent on OCP gave me a better feeling to of where to look for problems and improvements.
This is, BY FAR, the greatest value of OCP. Unfortunately, most people don't know how to study. Passing exams is easy, passing with confidence is another thing.
From one grammar challenged poster to another?Quote:
Originally posted by der_hexer
If you proofread your resume as well as your proofread your posts, it is no wonder you have yet to find a job. Certifications or not.
I agree. Moreover, some people pass the OCP exams and very soon they forget most of the material.Quote:
Originally posted by adrianomp
Unfortunately, most people don't know how to study.
But on the other hand, Oracle is a so large area. At times you concentrate on something (RMAN, Advanced Replication, etc.) and you might loose you touch in some othet field.
Hey, life's a journey and OCP is only one route.
If you feel they help you, either to get a job or just improve your knowledge, then carry on doing them. If you feel it's a waste of time then don't.
A few weeks ago I thought I wouldn't bother doing the 10G cert, but as the time draws nearer I'm getting quite excited. If nothing else it will inspire some new articles for my website.
If I pass it feel free to tell me I wasted my time, and I'll feel free to think "perhaps I didn't!"
Cheers
This is not exactly correct, currently we are looking for DBA in Australia/Brisbane and we have a difficulties find the right person. I interviewed several people, some of them stated that they had Oracle certificates, but unfortunatelly during the test they were not able to answer very simple and basic questions. So, at this stage certificates are very questionable confirmation of knowledges ... However I believe if you have real certificate - you should be able to handle most of the situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocp9999
Below some of the answers of the Certified Oracle DBA:
Q: How to find exact oracle client/server version used/installed ?
A: Go to Add/Remove programs
Q: You have got error bellow, what cause of this error?
insert into RT_FIXING_RIC(sicovam) values(1)
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01400: cannot insert NULL into
("UPGRADE326_330"."RT_FIXING_RIC"."COL_NAME")
A: (After waiting for 4 minutes) Looking for character, but insert a number
And so on ...
In most cases Senior DBA is a person who has excellent communication skills to manage other people. In the same time they have big luck of Oracle knowledge. They don't need to take OCP, because of above and because they have job. The main rule: when you are talking to a person who have no clue how oracle works - keep talking with confidence, in any case that person will not understand a word ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alauddin
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