Can anyone tel me the salary range for Oracle DBA with OCP?
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Can anyone tel me the salary range for Oracle DBA with OCP?
$25K to $200K. Depends on education, experience, market, geographic area, industry, etc.
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What is your background, and overall experience?
oh, this will be good. a guy without a job or ocp telling you how much you should make. what a joker.Quote:
Originally posted by NickL
What is your background, and overall experience?
{{{oh, this will be good. a guy without a job or ocp telling you how much you should make. what a joker.}}}
I merely asked this poster about his experience, I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
You are trying to make comments about my background? Don't even go there bud. I have a job in finance and a MS degree in the field, but I don't have an OCP yet. But, at least I do not lie about my experience or salary.
You guys are at it again...
dba1, It also depends on what country you are based in.
On the west coast of Canada independent Senior DBAs are down to $50 an hour.
If you work for a media sized consulting company the following rates would apply:
Senior DBA could expect $40 - $50 an hour (they will bill you out at $65 - $75 an hour).
Intermediate DBAs $25 - $30 an hour.
Junior DBAs with 3-5 years general IT background $15 - $20 an hour.
Junior DBA no experience 6$ an hour (they call it six bucks sucks).
The larger consulting companies will bill you out at a higher rate and will pay a higher salary, but they usually skim the best from the smaller consulting companies.
If you work an internal IT department, then a senior DBA will earn $70,000.
Gee,
OCP 8i
MCSE
I'm not a dba yet. But I want to be in a near future. Currently I'm a DB programmer. Have not much idea about this type of job. It seems to me that most DBAs works on a contract base instead of internally. Is that right?
I don't have any hard and fast data, but I believe most DBA's are Permanent Full-time employees.
Gee......are those rates in canadian or american dollars?
which is stronger btw?
Is this an indication that Oracle is on it's way DOWN or is it just a sign of the times?
OCPGrad, the rates are Canadian, but I think it is relative to the location (i.e. a dollar in Louisville Kentucky buys you a lot more then a dollar in NY).
A friend of mind was making big bucks in silicon valley, but the cost of housing was also big bucks (at the time it was 400,000 US$ for an average house a hour's drive from work).
Once he got married and the kids started to arrive, the big bucks weren't that big anymore. He moved to a small town outside of Boston making half his salary, but feels he is further ahead as they now have very nice home as well the time to enjoy it with his young family.
Gee
I have a lot of friends in NY, NJ, OH, CA, MA areas. I myself live in Toronto, Canada. What we figured out that the prices in Canadian dollars in Toronto are comparable to the same in NY City, Boston and other major large cities in teh States without converting them. Except for the houses in manhattan of course.
So, $95-100K in NYC will buy you the same or just a bit more in Toronto.
I've been working freelance for a few years now and one thing I've learnt is you're only worth as much as people are willing to pay at the time you're looking for work.
What's more, the day you sign a contract you will always be offered a more interesting or higher paying job.
For those who do not believe in God I submit these facts as proof that he exists and he has a sick sense of humour :-)
What's Oracle going to be in the next 5 to 10 yrs ???
I personally think that the demand is not going to be high anymore since the technology and Oracle make think easier day after day. More GUI and think getting easier.
So to all who are junior and dream to make a bug big, THINK TWICE !!!!!!
This subject was bought up at course I attended recently.
I have been Oracle DBA for nearly a year now and am worried about my career in the future, I have 40 working years left in me. As Oracle continues to try and make a DBA's life easier with OEM, and already some intelligent features in 9i, the demand and highly skilled stigma surrounding Oracle may disappear.
The bottom line is that Databases will always exist and someone will be needed to setup/maintain them, the question is which will be the most popular. If you have learnt Oracle, I wouldn't have thought that learning other RDBMS Solutions wouldn't be too difficult.
IT specialists have always had to be dynamic and have the ability to take on board and learn new technologies.
In UK the Ecommerce revolution has not taken place, this is mainly due to the telecommunications infrastructure, consumer awareness etc.
I believe that Ecommerce will kick off in time and when this happens the demand for Database back ends will multiply dramatically, again the question is which one will the consumer choose ?
At the moment, as a contingency, I am spending some time learning more about Unix Admin and MSSQLServer as something I can move towards, should the job market start swinging dramatically.
I am keeping my fingers crossed to stay in Oracle as I enjoy this the most. However the only thing I am really concerned with regarding my job or any job is the pay advice at the end of he month. I am not loyal to any technology as it will never be loyal to you.
The good news is that as DBs get easier to manage there will be an increasing need for people with a view of the bigger picture. People who are able to span disciplines and think in a more abstract manner.
The bad news is that the people best suited for these jobs are women since they have more connections between the left and right hand sides of the brain allowing their thought processes to cope with a deeper level of abstraction.
Funny, the physiological feature that makes them so annoying is also the one that will put you out of a job :)
PS. If Oracle takes as long as COBOL to die I'll encourage my grandchildren to take it up.
[Edited by TimHall on 02-27-2002 at 07:10 AM]
It's a very peculiar demand supply ratio.
The employer who I work for is not really(my opinion) conscientious as far as it comes to IT management or in simpler words it's just like you have everything on the computer that was installed on your desk to make it easier for you,but you still (it's sooo regressive) keep opening drawers and thick files.
It's something so many of the employers can't get rid off. Database management is a term which people use on almost daily basis but half of them have no idea how to make it work for them, until the home made program crashes and your data is lost. Your IT guy was long gone.
maybe in a few years he'll be a very potential customer for these solutions(probably when oracle would be selling it's stuff on a pure GUI format with women like tim said clicking on buttons , getting big pictures, giving big pictures) and me sitting on a senior position (If i stick around!!) clicking buttons and being a senior dba...sheeeeeeesssh.
I chose for oracle for what it is, it's intrigues me, bothers me. I like it,I'll keep liking it. Of course i wanna stay on my job.I hope that oracle stays better and not a sorry ass customised gui program which anyone can master(with 24hrs be a dba pocket books :p!!!!).
Tarry Singh
I agree with Tarrysingh and Tim. I have the same worries but it is clear that Oracle is going the way of making the DB less and less DBA-dependent. However, making all those new additions, they probably do not comprehend the fact that it will take more and more effords for beginners to learn Oracle. There might come a tuning command in Oracle 12i:
but there will probably too many new issues with Oracle 12i that companies will still need a DBA.Code:ALTER DATABASE GET BETTER;
On the other hand, I suggest, do not look or try to look too much into the future for all you might see is a granite stone with your name on in....
Hi, guys. This topic is very interesting, because Oracle DBAs can end up in the same situation as SQL Server DBAs. I found a great article about SQL Server DBA fate. Please, read it and tell me your opinion. Because it looks like Oracle is heading the same direction as Microsoft does.
The article:
"Most people agree that SQL Server is much easier to install and administer than its competitors. That's great news for SQL Server's long-term success, right? From many perspectives, it is. But SQL Server's ease of use also creates serious problems. SQL Server is so simple to set up that almost anyone with little or no training can install the software. Some DBAs who install SQL Server simply don't have the proper level of skill and experience to do so. As a result, SQL Server applications can perform poorly and seriously affect important business functions. More often than not, SQL Server gets blamed for this situation by managers who think they should have used "one of those incredibly expensive databases running on one of those four-letter OSs." They perceive SQL Server as inferior, and the software gets a bad rap when the real problem is human in nature. In contrast, UNIX-based database management systems (DBMSs) are rarely installed by untrained IT staff members because UNIX-based systems are more difficult to get up and running and require a higher level of skill and experience.
Because SQL Server has a reputation for being inexpensive and easy to use, some managers mistakenly think that SQL Server doesn't need the same level of care and feeding that its UNIX DBMS cousins require. I've seen the following scenario many times at customer sites: The database is managed by a team of experienced UNIX and database administrators who pull down six-figure salaries, while the SQL Server/Windows servers reside in a cubicle and are maintained part-time by someone who became a paper-tiger MCSE 6 months before. "
Where is the article from? Could you provide a link?
GREAT POSTS!!!
I think that an underlying theme is that a person has to stay abreast of new technology and new trends in order to demand a competitive salary and such.
I'm new to IT (I'm actually still in college) and am pursuing my OCP, so posts like these help out much more then you guys/gals may think....
I'm looking forward to this particular topic getting some insightful responses :)
Here is the link to this article:
http://www.sqlmag.com/Articles/Index...rticleID=19662
The installation of the Database software is only the beginning of the Journey. Database administrators will be around for a long time (in IT land... that's about 3 years right). Hmmm, anyway, Oracle isn't getting easier to administer, you still have to be able to understand the concepts of many diferent topics for Oracle. All documentation for each Oracle realease is in excess of 20,000 pages... and that's without including all the associated documentation sitting on Metalink.
No-one knows everything about Oracle and all it's associatied functionality, and while this is the case, there'll aways be the need for Oracle Database Administrators.
Cheers,
go to job sites and search for jobs by location. its all bull but hey....
TheSlob.
Can you, please, be more specific in your messages ? It's hard to understand what you are trying to say in your message.
{{Can anyone tel me the salary range for Oracle DBA with OCP?}}
In which country :-)Quote:
Can anyone tel me the salary range for Oracle DBA with OCP?
The wages issue is non negotiable. It don't matter how or what the times are. Depending on what your situation is ask for a wage what you want because what you deserve is always almost nothing in the eyes of the employer.
Here in netherlands they(DBA's) can range from 30K$ to 75K$. But like i said don't trust what 's on paper because on the negotiable table they'll always drag you down.
What i hate is i feel like saying(although my hunt for the REAL dba job will start when i have the ocp) since you're paying me far less than what i expected can i also be a slob, be less competent,show less or no initiative,laze around, and when there's trouble do nothing and blame some poor enduser for corrupting the database. It's very easy. I've seen people who're capable of doing just that, and guess what? The boss is happy that the problem is found, but how to solve hmmmm.....
I've said it once! good! hate me for it!
Trust me even if an employer got free tailormade programs, cheap employees. They'll fail in no time, because the management aspect was ignored. What's, if's,how's,when's were all ignored. (But they all have mba's ,they talk about faignbaum,taguchi,....)
And these are the companies which impact the economy,first you create a demand, then within no time lose vision with your lackadaisical approach. Then you have it coming ...massive layoffs, gloom days. I read in the newspaper today that germany is officially in recession. But that doesn't mean that there aren't any jobs, they're there but you'll hear the proverbial "ach, you know we do need a guy but your salary in these times....".
The bottom line is who's holding the reins, for instance my wife's sis is married to a family who're running the biggest transport logistic company in europe. but hey IT manager watch out before you want to give a presentation of a fantastic database management which will for example track your trucks,monitor their speed during cross country movements and check before he gets a fine for excess baggage, overspeeding,etc(some of these aspects do exist in transportation).
There are so many of them, soo many.
Tarry
I was replying to the first person who asked the question.
It is circumstantial evidence, but...Quote:
Originally posted by TimHall
The bad news is that the people best suited for these jobs are women since they have more connections between the left and right hand sides of the brain allowing their thought processes to cope with a deeper level of abstraction.
You will see an abnormally high number of left handers in these positions now. The high speed connection between the two hemispheres is about 10-15% larger in lefties. I have worked on a lot of projects where over half the people on the technical side are writing with their left hands when the group represents about 15% of the population.
Way off thread.
[Edited by dknight on 03-02-2002 at 07:00 AM]
I can type with my left hand! Does this make me even better at my job? ;-)
I have no conclusive proof for the following, their just things I picked up over the years:
On average left handed people die 5 years earlier than their right-handed counterparts. Apparantly this is due to industrial accidents relating to non-left-hand-friendly machinery. Bloody right handed mice!
Being left handed is associated with minor brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation during childbirth.
Left handed people generally have quicker reaction times and better hand-eye coordination since signals go from the right hand side of the brain directly to the left hand. Right handed people have to send the signals from the right side of the brain to left side, then down to the right arm.
Being right-handed I have an excuse for being crap :)
Originally quoted by Tim Hall
I must add that this is just one of the many theories for left handedness. The evidence is circumstantial, since almost 30% of mentally retarded children are left-handed - which is three times the normal statistic for left-handedness. There is no conclusive proof as yet.Quote:
Being left handed is associated with minor brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation during childbirth.
In my personal life, I have seen very brilliant people left-handed.
I knew it!! I'm left-handed. I've always thought I was special.
Not all brain damage makes people stupid.Quote:
Originally posted by Raminder
In my personal life, I have seen very brilliant people left-handed.
I always thought you were special too :)Quote:
Originally posted by TheSlob
I knew it!! I'm left-handed. I've always thought I was special.
I'm ambidextrous!!!
In my bio exam in highschool i drew with my left hand and wrote with my write hand simulaneously!!!!
Try it, it's not easy......i don't know how it works up there with the grey and the white matter but i guess there must be a better disk partitioning...
;)
I little bit don't agree with command ALTER DATABASE GET BETTER;Quote:
Originally posted by julian
I agree with Tarrysingh and Tim. I have the same worries but it is clear that Oracle is going the way of making the DB less and less DBA-dependent. However, making all those new additions, they probably do not comprehend the fact that it will take more and more effords for beginners to learn Oracle. There might come a tuning command in Oracle 12i:
but there will probably too many new issues with Oracle 12i that companies will still need a DBA.Code:ALTER DATABASE GET BETTER;
On the other hand, I suggest, do not look or try to look too much into the future for all you might see is a granite stone with your name on in....
Somebody checked # of init parameters in 6 --> 7 --> 8--> 8i--> 9i
or # of statistics or # sql commands and options in ALTER DATABASE or ALTER SYSTEM commands (not only ALTER TABLE ..)
I think DBA will have work a long, long time.