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HI,
I have seen lots of 'experienced gurus' but not in real sense.
Being DBA for 10 or 15 years doesn't make anybody EXPERIENCED, but KNOWLEDGE and real ability to attack the issues make anybody experience. Certification helps to improve the knowledge, concepts and helps to try new stuffs.
Thanks
Niyasi
Hi
It is ones own interest I personally feel we are not the people who need to argue weather OCP is right or not.
If you get thru OCP you have better prospects in the IT Industr offcourse experience with OCP is a big plus why Iam telling is a manager looks at a resume before he forwards it to his team to Interview and most of the time people do look at certification.For a beginner it is a Big plus to get a certification and start on a Job.Experience is something which we will not get as soon as we get out of college to Join a team of DBA'S, so OCP is surely a stepping stone for a fresher.
Regards
If you have some spare time (it seems you are busy with gaining experience :-) for the OCP exams might have been hard for you) have a look at:Quote:
Originally posted by marist89
I always hire experience over certification. If I am looking at two candidates that have similar experience, I might give the nod to the person that has the OCP, but not always. There are lots of people out there that have gotten their OCP and still don't know squat about Oracle.
If I am looking to fill an entry level slot, I might look at somebody that has no experience but has shown the initiative to go out and get the OCP.
http://www.certmag.com/issues/feb01/dept_insidecert.cfm
and read carefully what researched has been done on Oracle Certified Proffesionals. And then, if you feel like it, "show the door" to OCPs.
Julian,Quote:
Originally posted by julian
If you have some spare time (it seems you are busy with gaining experience :-) for the OCP exams might have been hard for you) have a look at:
http://www.certmag.com/issues/feb01/dept_insidecert.cfm
and read carefully what researched has been done on Oracle Certified Proffesionals. And then, if you feel like it, "show the door" to OCPs.
What makes you think if one debate on a particular topic that he is against that ? Jeff expressed what he feels about OCP. Infact He is OCP. What you know about Jeff. Have a look at his postings... you posted the first posting at dbasupport.com and criticising the memebrs... Everyone is free to express their opinions here but one shouldn't criticise the other member while expressing their opinions.
-No Offence-
Sigh. Yes, the exams are too hard, that's why I'm afaid of certification and any OCP out there.Quote:
Originally posted by julian
If you have some spare time (it seems you are busy with gaining experience :-) for the OCP exams might have been hard for you) have a look at:
http://www.certmag.com/issues/feb01/dept_insidecert.cfm
and read carefully what researched has been done on Oracle Certified Proffesionals. And then, if you feel like it, "show the door" to OCPs.
Yes, this article is interesting. Too bad it doesn't support your argument. Of course, it was completely objective being written by:
Mike Serpe is senior manager of the Oracle Certified Professional progam, responsible for the global management of Oracle’s certification programs. Mike can be reached at [email protected].
What is Ocp matters ?
Ocp is good for people hunting for jobs or for experienced people to get high salary.
I met 10 peoples with ocp certified but all without jobs.i met many peoples with 2 to 3 years experience in dba getting well paid.
luck depends on freshers like nikki(in forums) which she got job after passing Ocp. Dba is nothing but full of experiences and skill
whatever certification you get is good at paper but never close to real experienced Dba's
Oracle corporations are not making the ocp certifications as real as possible to
get ocp tests as real based scenario questions only which experienced dba's can answer,
now every body is certified like Microsoft tests.
It's really pity,that oracle not making any standards
in certification.
In this cometitive world,it will be good for companies
and oracle corp. to get good validity of certification process.
Any lay man get ocp certified by just reading ILT books.
so i suggest to get real life practice as Dba,make quires and answers for all problem in dba workshop
then take Ocp certification.
Indian
I feel that sometimes a experienced DBA also wont be able clear OCP. So instead of critisiing OCP why not try giving the exams maybe int he process you will learn something more which u didn't know earlier. I see no bad acpects of giving the exams.
About getting jobs, it's all on luck.
SO guys instead biting each others back lets go back to work. As it is DBA's have no time to waste in this kind of discusions.
Dear Sudip, 6th June 2001 19:15 hrs chennai
I have to really appreciate you words let all get down to work rather than Justify "No OCP" "EXP BEST" kind of sorts.
All are experienced only the level of measurement varies.The day one when you step in to DBA job the exp starts counting.
I also dont believe in the years count on exp.One may gain it in 3 years what a person would have done it in 5 years.Its his way of interest and participation in to forums like ours,attending Oracle technical conferences ,technical paper presentations,more over on how much he reads lot of technical books on oracle etc...May be a certification is also one of the step.
With all this one can be more sharper and prospective in competitive world.
I dont believe in criticizing either OCP standards.Lets take it head on and tell me whether that is of no use or not.
Believe it in my city where i can see the pulse of the whole world IT trend which i am keenly watching to say more precisely breathing it.Lot of US returns are now eager to take DBA courses.Even many small institutes are now running several batches parllely.There was a time(6 months back) when many people feared to even enter DBA side have started taking DBA courses.
where are we going ? are we all going to cope with this competition ? i know for sure by this time next year there will be 1000's of fresh local dba's who will be surplus and start for other countries.Till date i myself recruit DBA's for Singapore unable to get good ones for my company.Even 6 months exp DBA is rare to find.But that wont last forever.
Sure even OCP certification alone wont help them more tricky and shrewd will also take up Sun Solaris certification and Linux etc....
Till this date the demand and supply for DBA there was big gap.Even experienced people were paid high money.The lucky few well exp over years of time at top can now survive with same sal ? what about one or 3 years exp DBA's ? the fresher never says he is a fresher he says he is 5 years on DBA or 3 years of sort.Moreover he shows all kinds of certificates etc...
Not only exp counts its all best survival tactics one employs and moves ahead in his chosen field.Do you have one ? if not plan it today.
Cheers
padmam
Dba certfication whats big deal????
imagine scoring perfect 90% in a backup and recovery exam and in a production database trying to recover it only 90% of the times..................i bet my ass on this one guys.............experience counts..........if you guys are real serious about oracle rather then certification just go to oracle technet site download oracle for linux start practcing some case studies from rama velpuri's book...............this certainly wont help you to pass certification but yep it will help you to save ur job ,ur ultimate goal .........i beleive.join forums like
http://www.dbasupport.com where real dbas post their problem try to solve them............its a tremendous experience in itself.i have repeatedly said that my skills were honed on this forum.i was able to get and also save my job bcoz of this forum...........................................get real folks ocp dsent tell you how to apply a latest patch nor does it check your knowledge on this one.neither will it tell you how to keep your cool and concentrate on how to bring back your db when it is down and calm down irritating users..........
regards
hrishy
Hi Hrishy, 7th June 2001 19:34 hrs chennai
I respect your opinion.
My kind request is lets take things like this ...
what is the Use of attending technical seminars like iDevelop2000 conducted by oracle all over the world.?
What is the Use of reading any Technical papers from oracle Magazine. ?
What is the use of Presenting technical papers on this forum ?
What is the Use of Taking OCP ?
It all grooms our experience.Its all part and parcel of experience.
In this same thread there was a comments from a well exp DBA over more than 10 years commenting He has took OCP and told his benefits on knowledge front
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Tamilselvan:
I have been using Oracle since 1991, but I got certified only in 2000. Initially I did not care about OCP, because I did not have time to study. Without certificate I mananged Oracle where ever I worked.
When I got time in 2000, I started to prepare for the OCP. I completed it within 3 months time. Basically I wanted to know what are the new things in Oracle 8 and 8i and how they can be used in my day-to-day work. Other than that OCP did not help me much, but it enriched my knowledge.
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and simillarly criticism from other Quarters lets move ahead rather than to say for and against we have to really respect lot of members fellings.
I respect very much you feelings except the hard words from your side.
Knowledge breeds confidence and confidence breeds success.
Let get ahead as Big Team to share our Knowledge.
Cheers
padmam
[Edited by padmam on 06-07-2001 at 10:18 AM]