Certified DBA and So What?

I strongly agree with Padmam.

Hi all,
I'm agree with padman.

I feel that completing your certification should be desirable for any current or aspiring dba. The DBA's who think they know it all and can't learning anything by completing your certification, you're dreaming. Even if your pick up one new thing on your road to certification, you should consider it worthwhile.

So study and sit your certification exams, and if you tell me you didn't learn anything new, it didn't help clarify any points for you, doesn't give you more confidence in your role and doesn't give you a remote advantage over other dbas without certification... then basically, I'd call you a liar.

Hi Guys
I am agree what Padman is saying.

Good DBA = Experience + Certification

Thanks

As someone who has worked with Oracle for 3+ years, I have decided to get OCP certified, and in the process found that there are a lot of things I did not know. Try asking a 'guru' about parallel query server if the site he works at doesn't use it. Would he know how to answer? Probably not.

No one uses Oracle to the max of it's capabilities that I am aware of, so I am taking the OCP for two reasons - to gain additional knowledge and insight, and to prove to an employer that I know my stuff.

Certainly an employer should not hire just because someone is certified, but in taking the test I will have increased my knowledge and be prepared for whatever they ask me.

And don't criticize someone if they do it for more money - if they know their stuff but aren't getting the respect (read: pay) they deserve then this is a way for them to become more marketable. Let's face it, I'm not reading these Oracle Press books because I love the author's writing style.

Money is not my #1 motive, but it is at least on the list. Gurus have to start somewhere, and working a site for several years is going to make most motivated people into one. Try moving to another company who uses different functionality in their systems, and tell yourself you were really a guru.

I have resigned myself to the fact that I will never know everything about Oracle, but if in my studies I can learn more then I'm a better person for it. Any company who hired because someone had a piece of paper (certification or degree) gets what they deserve. If they don't ask technical questions then a 'paper MCSE or OCP' would most likely slide on by.

grrickar, your words express my opinion of the matter also. People can be gurus in their specific roles, on the same job site they've worked for a number of years. But you need to re-educate yourselves every once in a while and certification helps redefine your skills and let you learn things about Oracle you didn't previously.

Even Oracle themselves have people dedicated to only ONE area of Oracle because they can't be expected to know EVERY single thing about the product.

Sure, Oracle certification doesn't make you an expert, sit all 8i exams, then sit down with me and lets talk Oracle Intermeda/Text indexing. This part of Oracle Server can only be learnt on the job, but certification will teach you many things you didn't know previously.

Also, I think Oracle books have put me to sleep more times than any other type of book, I don't read the books because of the writting style either, I read to pick up new things. The same reason I scroll through Oracle forums religously looking for people having issues like mine or trying to help others.

At the same time, there is a part of me who wants to be rewarded. I like to think I'm good at my role, if I gain certification to enforce my ability and receive a salary increase, hey bonus.

Basically thought, the benefits of certification far outweigh any reason for not becoming certified...but, basically it's up to the individual, I don't care if you don't do certification, I'd much rather come up against you at my next interview than another certified professional anyway.

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Originally posted by grjohnson

Basically thought, the benefits of certification far outweigh any reason for not becoming certified...but, basically it's up to the individual, I don't care if you don't do certification, I'd much rather come up against you at my next interview than another certified professional anyway.

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Above reason is the best reason for an experienced guy to get certification keeping aside the thought of OCP is good or bad, helps or not. Certainly helps not to miss the right opportunity.

This Certification stuff also depends on which country you are I would guess, in Spain where I am noone ask for certification, you mention OCP they dont even have a clue what is OCP about

Hi pando,
Good JOKE.....hi..e.....e....e :o
Joke of the forum!!!

it is not a joke, it is the truth and the only truth, if I am correct I dont think OCP is very popular in UK neither

So when I read things like certified professional receives more demand in calls... I just have to think I wish this happens in Spain. Just a point, MCSE are not very popular in Spain you rarely see a job offer asking for MCSE, you see them few times sometimes I see people asking for CCiE and that's it. I have only seen twice eployers actually wrote

oracle certification is appreciated (they dont even write OCP because as I said no one knows OCP here)

[Edited by pando on 05-17-2001 at 06:29 PM]