Julian,
If you have not visited the link that started this thread, please do. This shold catch-you-up on the maddness that is going to cause many months of confusion on this board!!
http://www.oracle.com/education/cert...coursereq.html
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Julian,
If you have not visited the link that started this thread, please do. This shold catch-you-up on the maddness that is going to cause many months of confusion on this board!!
http://www.oracle.com/education/cert...coursereq.html
Now how is someone forced to pay that money. I was thinking over your statement and could not comprehend it. Oracle University does not force anybody to attend the classes.Quote:
Originally posted by ehaskins
Julian,
It's worse because people are forced to pay an extra $2000 for training they may not want or need.
Well, some of my last courses where 9i New Features (5 days) and RAC (3 days). I learned a lot during that time and spent every single hour with interest towards the new stuff.Quote:
Take an experienced Oracle DBA with 5+ years experience...is that DBA going to want to sit through one of Oracle University's 5 day core DBA courses.
If the DBA in your example attends a class for beginners (A&A for example), then he has simply chosen the wrong ILT course.
Yeah, right :-)Quote:
Sure, he or she might learn a new thing or two...but they easily could have learned the same after prepping for the exam and reading and practicing on their own.
Wait a second! Are you saying that in order to attend the 9i core exams you must have completed the corresponding courses at OU?Quote:
Oracle even states that a certification candidate is allowed to complete all 4 exams in the 9i DBA Track first, bu then must meet the course requirement.
It is usually the firm you work for that pays the courses, not you!Quote:
Well, if someone has the ability to pass all 4 exams prior to taking the course...why must they pay $2000 to Oracle for a class that covers the topics they just passed
What warnings?Quote:
Also, how about the inconsideration of Oracle not providing any advanced warning?
OK, thanks. I read it. Well, there is some logic in that. Still, they require only 1 course, not all 4 of them.Quote:
Originally posted by ehaskins
Julian,
If you have not visited the link that started this thread, please do. This shold catch-you-up on the maddness that is going to cause many months of confusion on this board!!
http://www.oracle.com/education/cert...coursereq.html
Julian,
Yes, they need only take 1 course...but if they have already apssed all 4 exams prior to taking the course...why should they now need to take a course that covers the same topics.
You mentioned your RAC course...that's great, but that's not a course that qualifies for the new requirements...it must be one of the core-DBA courses or the 9i New Features. Someone going through the 9i Track from scrath is not going to take a 9i New Features course.
Julian,
It's been my expereince (as a provider of training), that most people going through the certification process are not being reimbursed by their company...they are paying out of their own pockets!
This is the official answer from Oracle (which I received ):
You only need to meet this requirement, if you have not passed at least one exam, regardless for the OCP 8i or 9i track. If you have not passed any OCP exam you will have to meet this requirement regardless if you are going for the OCP8i or 9i track.
Also if you have at least one OCP 8i exam now, you can become an OCP 8i later (after 15-06-2002) and subsequently go for the OCP 9i track WITHOUT the need to meet this new requirement.
(as stated by OCPPRO previously in his comment)
Regards,
ALT69
I was disappointed when Oracle released the OCM track which required two courses and a $2000 practical exam. That's a hell of a lot of money for someone to pay out and makes the certification more exclusive because of cost, not just difficulty.
Now they've perverted the OCP track. I think this will reduce the number of paper OCPs since individuals are less likely to pay this sort of cash on the off-chance they'll get a job at the end of it.
One ray of light is that you can complete a course online. The Oracle Online Learning Network is pretty good and relatively cheap ($349.00). Subscribing to this will allow you to do all the OCP courses and therefore certify for a fraction of the cost of a residential course. I suppose you could look at it as an online manual.
Good luck to you all.
I agree with Edward Haskins, it's just a matter of Oracle wants to get more..more..more and more money from their training business.
Can you imagine how much money orace will receive ??say there will be 10.000 new ocp candidates (all around the world) x us2.000. It would be US20.000.000,-
Another question, would it guarantee someone to be qualified OCP by following only one course ??? Why doesn't Oracle require a new OCP candidate to follow all courses to make a qualified OCP ??
Tim,
I'm fairly certain that the OLN is not part of the deal (or doesn't meet the requirements) to substitute for the ILT course that Oracle is referring to. The "Online" ILT that they mention is their Instructo-led Online Learning:
http://oracle.com/global/us/educatio...l?content.html
These course are $1500 a pop!
It makes me feel sick.
No doubt this was always a long term plan of Oracle, to setup the reputation of Oracle Certification and then start to bill for it.
At first i thought it was too good to be true that you could download the software for free and get certification for a reasonable price.
After what has been common practice how can you expect people to pay $2000 for a training course. Like 9/11 i am still unable to fathom this event.
Always 2 there are..
An Oracle and his DBA...
The Dark side clouds all....