See http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20010614S0020 for followup on the new pricing structure...Quote:
Originally posted by marist89
Oh, they are worried. See http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=tp_pr
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See http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20010614S0020 for followup on the new pricing structure...Quote:
Originally posted by marist89
Oh, they are worried. See http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200...html?tag=tp_pr
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Let me add some spice to this discussion.
1. Cost of oracle?
Don't worry. Oracle is now proposed to reduce the price on its 9i. This was a news on yesterdays cnet news. So there is light in the horizone for pando.
2. Coming to the points Gopi made:
Welcome to this group.
Point A: " a user asked ... is that all CLICK, CLICK ...."
Yes, "Click" makes your life easy, but should you not forget, it would be of no help if you don't know much on the power of command prompt workings. The other thing is that, MS, infact had taken the "CLICKIE" comcept from the pineers of MAC. But when you even look into Mac they are in the path of Unix. Their latest OS hosts the unix under neeth. So welcome to the world of Unix.
Point B: How many administrators on Unix? ...
Yes, it is hard to work on unix, but if you know of the different kernel architectures, then you would learn to appreciate. But you also have to look, it is scalable beyond MS. Now blue screens, No application corruption would force a system reboot. Its always hard on windows to know what is doing what? removing a process would sometime even crash the entire system. Windows now only have started to use the file system security, where unix had been the pioneers. On looking at your args against Unix, I would think that you have a lot to catch up.
We all have to remember that Without problems, there is no Learning
One thing that always bugs me a lot about MS, is that as a market strategy, they want to set their eveil foot prints into every single industryy in this world. They are for software privacy, gets millions and millions for the support, which at times they can't even solve, but would bill you for. Example their exchange server :o As other folkd pointed out, I'ld keep my eyes open for the DB rather than SQL server.
Padmam, I doubt that SQL Server is there for the Unix platforum. Correct me if I wrong.
I beleive that some of the participants might get offended by my passionation for non MS products, I'm very sorry for that. I'm primarily for the Open Source, which alone could lead the world to its destiny :D
Critisizms welcomed,
Sam
Hi All,
Thanks for welcoming to this club.
Let me first Address Padmam's post.
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I have no interest in learning Oracle on NT. I'm only interested
in Oracle on Unix. So I have not even looked at Oracle/NT.
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As far as I'm concerned, I have personally felt Oracle Installation on Solaris to be tough (or for that matter on Unix).
May be I have overlooked, could u please name a book which
talks about the Installation in Detail. I bought the Solaris 8 for
intel Pack from SUN directly & with that I got a Oracle 8.1.7 CD. if u r referring to the two pdf file that comes with the CD,
then I do have it.
Did you all see how Dragon argues. He says, "Ask the company people to buy Oracle since Oracle jobs are better
paying". Now is the discussion about One's Pay or about which product is better. If it is about ones pay then lets all
become Drug smugglers. Isnt their plenty of money. Man,
If u cant contribute to a forum please dont spoil the forum.
I have realised that most of the Pro-Oracle fans give all
reasons but the facts.
Coming to the Sambavan's points.
You say that with the new pricing policy, Oracle will be cheaper. But how much cheap. Cheaper than SQLServer.
Besides who cares about the initial cost. Does anyone. But
every CTO will be more worried about the Resources Cost.
Reducing the cost of Oracle will not reduce the cost of Hardware, Manpower, Development time ... etc. How do u
argue to this point.
Coming to ur 2nd point. Will you explain to the CTO of a
company about the Unix Internals, Oracle Internals ... etc
and convince him about the product. Try this & let me know
how many CTOs u have convinced.
SQLServer is available only on NT.
But, keep in mind. Every time Ellison puts up those challenges,
he seems to b under the impression that technology, R&D, &
programming is only his & Oracle's Prerogative. And every
time, companies like Microsoft, Kiva Corp, Siebel have proved
him wrong.
Thanks for reading my comments. Since people seem to be
going off topic, I would like to stop my contribution to this
thread and do something else.
Thanks,
gopi
Originally posted by grajee
Coming to the Sambavan's points.
You say that with the new pricing policy, Oracle will be cheaper. But how much cheap. Cheaper than SQLServer.
When Oracle say it is reducing the price, you have to appreciate that concept itself. But is going to be a considerable amount
Besides who cares about the initial cost. Does anyone. But
every CTO will be more worried about the Resources Cost.
Reducing the cost of Oracle will not reduce the cost of Hardware, Manpower, Development time ... etc. How do u
argue to this point.
Just to refresh, oracle is available for pentium Solaris, Solaris, HP, VAX,NT, Digital Aplpha, Compaq, AIX, Linux. What else would you want? If the company wants to compete in the market, they have to invest in one of these. When you say SQL, you are restricted to only NT/2000. "Awake up!!!" Cost of hardware had become very negligible these days, so it is not an issue for most of the front runner CTOs. We run Oracle on multiple flavours. The hard ware was not an issue, now we are negotiating with oracle for a site license. If that comes through, we would be ready to rock and roll :D
Will you explain to the CTO of a company about the Unix Internals, Oracle Internals ... etc and convince him about the product. Try this & let me know how many CTOs u have convinced.
Yes, its your duty as a DBA to enlighten your CTOs, and provide all the pros and cons in a best explained manner, that could convince your point. I've convince my folks to go for a site license. You are most of the time expeceted to posses these knowledge of Architectural information. In fact, my advice to you would be to learn the oracle architecture bfore starting to play, that would make your life a lot easy to undestand. You can twigue a lot of things in oracle to get a performance.
But, keep in mind. Every time Ellison puts up those challenges,
he seems to b under the impression that technology, R&D, &
programming is only his & Oracle's Prerogative. And every
time, companies like Microsoft, Kiva Corp, Siebel have proved
him wrong.
They are all a CEOs BIG PICTURE.Infact Siebel is one of the oracle's primary customers, who make use of Oracle
[b] Please, do not get offended or defended by things that have been said on this forum. Some times the posts do stirr up things and bring lot of things to light. Share your thoughts and widen your knowledge[b]
Peace,
Sam
Dear Gopi, 16th June 2001 14:02 hrs chennai
Thank you for letting me know the information SQL server runs only on NT.
I have already told you that there are lot of difference between running on NT and UNIX.Its not oracle mistake or o/s mistake too.Then the point of discussion varies to O/S side.
Has how you have said installation was easy comparing SQL server and oracle i had to pin point that installation of Oracle was as same easy as SQl server on NT.Then you should not have compared Oracle was tougher compared to SQL server installation ?because platform was different
Reg the o/s requirements of Unix not only that Oracle DB any DB has to follow certain o/s requirements.particularly as i have explained you some basic requirements in this thread.For this you should have been really have some exp on solaris (any unix)like groups,user creations,mounting the directory etc.
For that matter on LINUX its little bit differs but otherwise as same as Oracle on Sun.
I dont know what pdf content it contains reg oracle installation.
if you could mail me i could tell if that is what you are speaking all about. mail id
[email protected]
Regarding the book i told was the original Installation manual oracle gives along with CD.if you have not got it please mail him over your present country support via http://www.oracle.com for the same explaining your situation.Even you can call your local oracle support for the same.Do you have the licence version of oracle or else it was a developer CD which SUN would have co-promoted along with his o/s.?
I have a pdf format which takes you through step by step instaltion process of Oracle on solaris.
Please dont get offended by not participating further in this argument .I know for Sambavan or Dragon they are one among like us and have been always very contributive to this Big Team lot of times and i have never seen them to hurt any ones fellings.
Thats why i told you to be contributive further in this team in future at first.May be it all depends on there personal opinion lets get cool on that. we are all in same ship to share ,learn and enhance ourself.I was also looking at sun solaris very much glare till a month back but once i sat down to learn it and get certified myself (certification main purpose to learn well sun which would help me in initial stages).I had been success also on that.Looking for 2nd paper shortly.Plan to learn Linux also shortly.
I really feel now happy on that (Unix)side too now.
The main reason behind this was while i worked with CITIBANK projects of DB size 1350 GB they were using oracle on sun.
Why even hotmail server is running on sun.I learned that MS is one of the largest vendor for SUN o/s.
So i am very much eager to look forward for your continued support and participation in this forum and enjoy it as a team.
This argument is good to discuss
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Now is the discussion about One's Pay or about which product is better.
This is looks real bad
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If it is about ones pay then lets all become Drug smugglers. Isnt their plenty of money. Man, If u cant contribute to a forum please dont spoil the forum.
This is Wrong
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I have realised that most of the Pro-Oracle fans give all
reasons but the facts
I dont know what you think about others oracle fans in other forums but here i feel many likes to be more subject oriented and they dont feel any parity between this is good and that is bad.I was also once had very high respect while working with SQL server as best and later working with Oracle that was best but after myself joining this DBAsupport.com and paticipating in DB2 conference one thing i understood is all are good and finally the fittest will survive.
I understand and respect your feelings and you have all privelege to air your views in a democratic manner .lets us come out of this .I look forward your mail to help you feel how best and easy oracle installation on solaris.First time it looks little bit tougher then its real cool.This because of particular O/S requirements.For this matter let it be any Unix flavors.
Cheers
Padmam
HI Padmam,
I'm not offended, rather, sometimes, I feel it is a waste of time when people deviate from the point.
I will contribute to this club, though, I'm not sure to what
extent.
How did u get ur Solaris Certification done. Is it on SOlaris 8
for SPARC or Solaris 8 for intel.
Check my next post !!
Thanks,
gopi
Dear Gopi, 17th June 2001 19:18 hrs chennai
I am so happy that you have responded very positively i am sure in future you will really feel and enjoy after some time how good this forum is.
I have really benefitted myself or i owe much to this forum for my knowledge enhancement.Many a times i have gained and able to share knowledge which keeps us to know several things which i am sure even by reading or doing in real time would have gained less.Since all are here with problems that i love a lot.
There is no certification on o/s or hardware based like say intel or sparc or for win2000 or Sun for OCP as well as for SUN Solaris.It will be generalised.
Its all common.But the Questions on OK boot prompt you cannot work on Intel based system etc while practicing.
Since this forum is dedicated entirely to ODBA kindly mail me or come to Certification forum in the same site where i can give you lots of tips which i am sure is 100% success gurantee to pass the certification.Shortly i am also going to post a thread in How to Forum which will benefit all on solaris.
Oh i did it on solaris7.
Cheers
Padmam
Every software has its own birth and death.
No exception at all.
During 1980s, Informix ruled the RDBMS market with highest market share followed by Oracle. The BIG 3 automobile companies, GM, Ford and Chrysler in US still run Informix for most of their critical applications. But in 1990s, Oracle had overtaken Informix and it became #1. Now, IBM bought Informix and they have 2 RDBMS, DB2 and Informix. It is anybody's guess that which product IBM is going to market. This is how technology is growing, when new product comes into the market, the old one dies.
Assume that Bill Gates buys Oracle for $30B, obviously he will close down Oracle and will ask the customers to move on to SQL Server.
Today, the power of Intel processor is growing fast. What we had achieved in RISC processor 3 years ago can be done in CISC (Intel) processor. Most of the CTOs and CEOs do not bother what technology the IT dept is using. All they need is how quick they access data from the computer and analysis it. They want to run the business with minimum cost with minimum over head, so that profit can be shown at the year end.
The time is not far away that SQL Server would surpass Oracle.
I dont think minimum cost is compatible with minimum over head.... it's like I say I want to buy a car which is gonna be cheap and use little petrol and runs fast :pQuote:
Originally posted by tamilselvan
They want to run the business with minimum cost with minimum over head, so that profit can be shown at the year end.
Oracle.
We have been installing Oracle on Linux lately so the cost becomes less coz license of OS is free... may be there are more ways to lower the cost
Hi All,
I agree with what Tamil Selvan says. Infact, the NASDAQ
himself talks about the cost effectiveness of the Itanium
chips mentioning the tremendouns cost effectiveness of
for NASDAQ.
Did u guys see my new thread about the installation
problem that I'have been having.
Also, I dont know how to copy the init.ora & other parameter
files onto a floppy from Solaris OS. Is there a way. If there
is a way I can email them to u alll.
Thanks,
gopi