ROLE OF A DBA

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Originally posted by tamilselvan

Never look back the old company in your entire life.
Never work in a company that does not value your work.
Never work in a company that think machine is superior than human beings.
Never work under a boss who is not in IT field.

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Very true tamil. Esp the last one.



1.I respect anyone who can understand what I have to offer, because then we can move further.

2. There are people who'll judge you without even knowing you're doing or what you're capable of. They'll judge your work without even understanding the goals( which they set up themselves) that are in mind.

You can say that this thread is lashing out at Gayatri(originator of the thread but imagine some questioning your integrity while all you thought (also in your living room at home) how to make something beautiful out of it.

That's what this thread tried (although like mr hanky said, there's a motive behind it) to do, to tell you that you don't do jack without knowing a jack yourself.

Oh c'mon, let's assume.....................

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Originally posted by tamilselvan
Never look back the old company in your entire life.
Never work in a company that does not value your work.
Never work in a company that think machine is superior than human beings.
Never work under a boss who is not in IT field.

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Greetings from Utopia again.

Lets take a look at these statements one at a time:
1. Most people in the real world need things like references when they apply for new jobs. In addition, you may not like your new position and actually WANT to go back to your old company. Ever wish you could ask somebody at your old comany a question? Never burn your bridges.

2. If the company doesn't value your work, do you really think you'd be working there? Do you think employers pay people money just because they are good natured?

3. If the machine is not superior to a human being, why are we all employed? When was the last time one accountant could balance the books in 1 hour? In fact, you would want to work for a company that invests heavily in technology. That would reinforce the need for technology people.

4. Someday I'll be a CIO. Are you saying I shouldn't work for a CEO unless they came from IT? IT workers fall under many different umbrellas in the organizational structure. The reason a manager has IT responsibilities is because she can get the job done, not because she came from IT.


When you are looking for employment, do not limit your options based on something you see on the Internet.

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1. Most people in the real world need things like references when they apply for new jobs. In addition, you may not like your new position and actually WANT to go back to your old company. Ever wish you could ask somebody at your old comany a question? Never burn your bridges.

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What kind of a reference can your present boss be if he has no idea what you do.

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2. If the company doesn't value your work, do you really think you'd be working there? Do you think employers pay people money just because they are good natured?

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I turned down an offer from a guy from a firm yesterday who raised a certain ques of if i can do that(in report generation/stats analysis etc, when i asked him to specify, he said 'i don't know much about it'. If this was my employer, how can i expect him to value me after employing me? He didn't bother to ask what i'm capable of!!

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3. If the machine is not superior to a human being, why are we all employed? When was the last time one accountant could balance the books in 1 hour? In fact, you would want to work for a company that invests heavily in technology. That would reinforce the need for technology people.

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But if a machine starts to tell the employer to assume because a dba is remotely monitoring the database , and not from his desk. Then the boss would definitely assume that the machine is far more better than that dba who i barely see.

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4. Someday I'll be a CIO. Are you saying I shouldn't work for a CEO unless they came from IT? IT workers fall under many different umbrellas in the organizational structure. The reason a manager has IT responsibilities is because she can get the job done, not because she came from IT.

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Getting the job done is one thing but not knowing what your people are capable of and especially what you can GET out of them are 2 entirely different things.

In today's world job is a neccessity. But the choice is yours be a happy sales employee or a disappointed and often rejected IT guy. Take a job where you can ask and agree upon things ALSO as per your terms. Because not every evaluation talk yields much.

But one thing is sure, badly managed companies only get worse, and the better mostly get better.

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Originally posted by Tarry

What kind of a reference can your present boss be if he has no idea what you do.

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It's YOUR responsibility to make sure your manager knows what you are doing.

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I turned down an offer from a guy from a firm yesterday who raised a certain ques of if i can do that(in report generation/stats analysis etc, when i asked him to specify, he said 'i don't know much about it'. If this was my employer, how can i expect him to value me after employing me? He didn't bother to ask what i'm capable of!!

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I'm not saying everybody is a good manager. In fact, you probably made the right choice. However, just by the fact that this person realized they NEED somebody to fill that role tells you he would value that position.

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But if a machine starts to tell the employer to assume because a dba is remotely monitoring the database , and not from his desk. Then the boss would definitely assume that the machine is far more better than that dba who i barely see.

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I think that's a pretty big assumption. As a manager, I would think that the DBAs are trying to save the company money by automating daily tasks and monitoring thereby saving the company money.

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Getting the job done is one thing but not knowing what your people are capable of and especially what you can GET out of them are 2 entirely different things.

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I'm glad we agree on this point. Good managers get things done, poor managers let things get done.

Jeff,
I didn't disagree on anything you said. And as a manager I'm sure someone like you would definitely be a good manager.
And that's exactly what I mean.

You gotta have someone who's willing to talk and you gotta have someone who's willing to listen.

It's been a long friday, have a happy weekend. summers are here!(not really with a blast here in europe but we hope to see some sun).

Cheers...;)

The problem is not always the manger and his knowledge about what you do daily. So many times I found there is at least 1 or 2 sick persons exist in each company and they start backstabbing you and fill the atmosphere with negative wave or get credit for themselves. How do you address this BIG issue?

The problem is not always the manger and his knowledge about what you do daily. So many times I found there is at least 1 or 2 sick persons exist in each company and they start backstabbing you and fill the atmosphere with negative wave or get credit for themselves. How do you address this BIG issue?


Show the boss what you can do, show the boss what you know and always be honest and sincere in everything you say.
and when you're down and lonely visit http://www.dilbert.com ;-)

oh nice ... dilbert ....

just concentrate on your job, the work u do, try to share your knowledge to all of your collegues, even with those sick person. don't think about them. let them be they. you are not here to change the persons . u r there to ellaborate yourselves, ur work, ur knowledge. treat all of them the same way. don't try to distinguish between the sicks and the non-sicks.

just work, work and work.

and any way in the recent movie there is good saying -

"IF YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE,
IF YOU WANT TO BE THE WINNER,
THEN JUST LISTEN TO YOUR HEART,
AND IF YOUR HEART DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY ANSWERS,
JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND
THINK OF YOUR PARENTS,
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
YOU WILL ACHIEVE WHAT U WANT,
YOU WILL CROSS ALL YOUR HURDLES,
AND YOU WILL BE THE WINNER,
ONLY YOU "

How do you expect me to be honest and sincere when the reality is totally different. When you see backstabbing , when you see sick guys get promotions and all credits easily, do you still try to fool yourself!! I love to be honest and have a healthy work condition but lots of times you should defend your right, no matter if you are Oracle god, negative waves like what Grayti insists on that in this thread can destroy your position in a glimpse. What's the solution?

calm down shessshh....you might wanna read 48 Laws of Power :-)

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