iS there anything to be shamed coz PeopleSoft rejected Oracle? WhY i'm feeling something different kind??
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iS there anything to be shamed coz PeopleSoft rejected Oracle? WhY i'm feeling something different kind??
Do you know about the new offer made by Oracle? I think Larry is serious this time.
BTW, It's business, no feelings involved. Either you win or you lose, that's it.
Larry can't 'win' and he knows it. But the game is not buying peoplesoft, it's unsettling peoplesoft customers so they run to Larry.
Business is business & Larry is playing the game.
Rumors that IBM is BIDING on PeopleSoft after Larry failed to acquire it...:D
I would have thought the answer was rather more obvious.
Oracle is hemorrhaging users to Microsoft's SQL Server, which is now not only faster, but much, much cheaper than Oracle. And there's an independent study to show that SQL Server DBAs are about 3x more productive than their more costly Oracle counterparts.
This is just Larry's attempt to gain control of a major vendor who based their core product on SQL Server back in 1997.
If he gets hold of it, guess which product will replace it at the core of Peoplesoft's offerings?
And guess how many customers will run from Peoplesoft as a result ?
No wonder they're not recommending the Oracle takeover, they would become Larry's whipping boy just because Oracle can't compete with Microsoft.
If you doubt this, read Craig Conway's letter at :
http://www.peoplesoft.co.uk/corp/en/...waysletter.jsp
Quote :
"Five days following our announcement "[of the acquisition of J D Edwards]" we learned of a hostile bid by Oracle Corporation to acquire PeopleSoft. Incredibly, Oracle made it clear their intention was to discontinue all PeopleSoft products, ultimately forcing customers to convert to Oracle's applications and database. As you know, this would cost each organisation tens of millions of dollars."
Unquote.
Maybe Microsoft should make a bid too - at least PeopleSoft's customer base would be happier.
Bill's got Larry on the run with SQL Server 2000 and every DBA in the business knows it, whichever "side" they're on. Businesses simply can't afford to spend mega bucks on armies of Oracle consultants like they did during the dot-com boom. The party's over for them, and for Oracle. You sign away a few hundred grand these days when there's a cheaper alternative and you'd better have a good explanation as to why, or find another job pronto.
In a recession, the better, cheaper product wins every time, it's a no brainer. Welcome to the recession.
I think you need to go scurry away and reboot your server.
Wow, that advanced the discussion.
Oracle DBA, perchance?
Or just another misfit who dislikes Microsoft's products on principle because they're successful ?
Are they? I must've missed something...Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
Or just another misfit who dislikes Microsoft's products on principle because they're successful ?
They do operating systems and web broswers too, you know... ;)
Yeah, those new releases have a really nice feature called "Automatically reboot on system failure". If you have this enabled you will not get any blue screens anymore - it will just restart on failure.
Should we rather call it "rebooting system"?
BTW, with "are they?" I was refering to the "successful" part.
Don't see many other corporations sitting on $40 billion in cash with no debt at present.
Or perhaps that's not classified as successful ?
That's another subject - now you're talking about company being successful - but there is a lot of marketing involved here.
Successful products - I would understand - should perform their work successfully.
:p
SQL Server seems to do that more than adequately last time I checked (about 20 seconds ago).
And at half the price of Oracle...
Too bad they do neither one well.Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
They do operating systems and web broswers too, you know... ;)
I didnt know those exists :oQuote:
Originally posted by jonreade
SQL Server DBAs are about 3x more productive than their more costly Oracle counterparts.
SQL Server DBA == PC Tech that knows a little SQL
Well, that's expensive. I thought it was cheaper. At least it should be.Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
And at half the price of Oracle...
Yeah, MS SQL Server...Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
And there's an independent study to show that SQL Server DBAs are about 3x more productive than their more costly Oracle counterparts.
Either it runs or it doesn't. DBA can do nothing about it.
My desktop (windows 2000 professional) just keep shutdown/restart for ever. Even when I start it in safe mode, it just shutdown/restart all the time.
I don't want to reinstall new OS because I still need my files(no backup).
Any idea what to do?
Thanks.
xyz
I can not make a repair file because it keep shutdown/restart.
Thanks.
xyz
Quote:
Theory is when everything is known and nothing works. Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why. At Microsoft, theory and practice are united: nothing works and nobody knows why.
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The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners.
Quote:
"Microsoft's biggest and most dangerous contribution to the software industry may be the degree to which it has lowered user expectations."
I know MS sucks, but the fact remains, had Bill not introduced windows, u me and many others would have been working in a coal mine or something like that.
If you look at the other side, its because of windows today common man knows (or have heard) what a computer is, other wise it was a toy for the nerds.
Fact is business runs on windows, all ur emails, fax, documentations, every thing revolves around this stupid OS. This is the OS from which all of us are able to browse the internet, share knowledge.
PS: I think im going to get hit by a train ;)
I think you have played with your WINNT folder permissions???Quote:
Originally posted by xyz2000
My desktop (windows 2000 professional) just keep shutdown/restart for ever. Even when I start it in safe mode, it just shutdown/restart all the time.
You can get you data no issues abt it.
Abhay.
Do you know how much data can SQL Server Handle & compare it with Oracle...Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
I would have thought the answer was rather more obvious.
Oracle is hemorrhaging users to Microsoft's SQL Server, which is now not only faster, but much, much cheaper than Oracle. And there's an independent study to show that SQL Server DBAs are about 3x more productive than their more costly Oracle counterparts.
This is just Larry's attempt to gain control of a major vendor who based their core product on SQL Server back in 1997.
If he gets hold of it, guess which product will replace it at the core of Peoplesoft's offerings?
And guess how many customers will run from Peoplesoft as a result ?
No wonder they're not recommending the Oracle takeover, they would become Larry's whipping boy just because Oracle can't compete with Microsoft.
If you doubt this, read Craig Conway's letter at :
http://www.peoplesoft.co.uk/corp/en/...waysletter.jsp
Quote :
"Five days following our announcement "[of the acquisition of J D Edwards]" we learned of a hostile bid by Oracle Corporation to acquire PeopleSoft. Incredibly, Oracle made it clear their intention was to discontinue all PeopleSoft products, ultimately forcing customers to convert to Oracle's applications and database. As you know, this would cost each organisation tens of millions of dollars."
Unquote.
Maybe Microsoft should make a bid too - at least PeopleSoft's customer base would be happier.
Bill's got Larry on the run with SQL Server 2000 and every DBA in the business knows it, whichever "side" they're on. Businesses simply can't afford to spend mega bucks on armies of Oracle consultants like they did during the dot-com boom. The party's over for them, and for Oracle. You sign away a few hundred grand these days when there's a cheaper alternative and you'd better have a good explanation as to why, or find another job pronto.
In a recession, the better, cheaper product wins every time, it's a no brainer. Welcome to the recession.
Abhay.
Abhay, yes, 1,048,516 Terabytes (1 Exabyte). :cool:
Each individual database file is limited to 32 Terabytes, so filegroups are required if you want to exceed this size, but you'd want to split a database of that size up over more than a single file (and over more than a single physical volume) for performance and backup reasons.
And you can have up to 32,767 of them per SQL Server instance.
Don't know how that compares with Oracle, but I guess for a single database, it's more than big enough for 99.999% of organisations. :)
Given current disk storage costs of say $100 per 100Gb drive, that's $1000/Tb, so it would cost you a cool $1 billion at a very conservative estimate just for the disk storage for a 1Eb database.
And that's without space for the transaction log.
At that point the price of the database software probably becomes slightly less relevant...
You've obviously not used it seriously Tomaz.Quote:
Originally posted by TomazZ
Yeah, MS SQL Server...
Either it runs or it doesn't. DBA can do nothing about it.
Our in-house performance metrics for over 200 databases over the last 12 months show that we exceeded 99.999% availability of our SQL Servers. We had less than 5 minutes of unscheduled outage on a single server in one year, and that was due to a hardware fault. We don't employ expensive clusters either - we don't need to.
In my experience a decent DBA of any skill set can do alot to ensure users get their data reliably and quickly. Trouble is, there's a lot of very sub-standard DBAs out there... both Oracle and SQL Server.
Mostly ex-developer sorts.
I would have posted a reply to this earlier only my Windows2000 PC kept rebooting. :D
Think I'd rather work in a coal mine. :DQuote:
I know MS sucks, but the fact remains, had Bill not introduced windows, u me and many others would have been working in a coal mine or something like that
My desktop hang there. So I try to shutdown my PC. It still hang there. So I have to unplug the power to shutdown. After that When I plugin power, it complain some service failed. then it will automatic shutdown the server and start server again, shutdown/start server... for ever
I just can not stop it unless I unplug the power.
xyz
In my company, we have to apply Microsoft server Patch about once per month.We have to apply Sun patch once per year.
Each time when we apply the patch, we have to apply it on test machine, and have QA to test the application to make sure nothing is broken. Then we need to arrange a down time to apply it to production machine. It is a lot of work just apply patch.As we all know, when the application goes on production, no body want to change anything on proction system.
Most time windows patch are security related. We have to apply it to our production windows server (It is not database server, it is siebel server).
Microsoft just have another patch which is security related.
xyz
Yes, it's quite obvious.Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
You've obviously not used it seriously Tomaz.
I also haven't bought an apartment in a building selected for demolition for the same obviousness.
It was cheap though.
:D
Quote:
Originally posted by jonreade
Abhay, yes, 1,048,516 Terabytes (1 Exabyte). :cool:
Each individual database file is limited to 32 Terabytes, so filegroups are required if you want to exceed this size, but you'd want to split a database of that size up over more than a single file (and over more than a single physical volume) for performance and backup reasons.
And you can have up to 32,767 of them per SQL Server instance.
Don't know how that compares with Oracle, but I guess for a single database, it's more than big enough for 99.999% of organisations. :)
Given current disk storage costs of say $100 per 100Gb drive, that's $1000/Tb, so it would cost you a cool $1 billion at a very conservative estimate just for the disk storage for a 1Eb database.
And that's without space for the transaction log.
At that point the price of the database software probably becomes slightly less relevant...
All these exagirated figures that you are giving are on paper...no where in reality ( Atleast I have seen ) MS SQl Server is not prefered where DB size will be in TB. Instead Oracle is prefered for DB ranging from few GB to Few TB ( < 50TB )...and above which Main Frames are prferred.
To tell you in our systems MS sqlserver are being replaced with oracle...since MS sqlserver just craches if data exceeds 500GB or so....
And the locking machanism in SQL Sever just sucks...
No row level locking huh?????
Only table level locking for any TRAN...and more sucking part is it will not allow you to read data when TRAN is active....
Only good part is GUI, but if you are good at commands why would you need that?
now coming to your 32TB file size ( max size )...do you how will OS ( WIN ) fumble while trying to retrive data from such files....
NO machaninsim for connectivity to DB(MS SQL SERVER) between Inter N/W ( Trusted Ones )... may it be through TCP or Named Pipes...
Architecture is worst...no major role for DBA's to tune DB coz it does all by itseld what it thinks better....
I have a doc where Oracle/MS Sql Server is compared..
Do you want me send you?
Abhay.
MS SQL Server has row locking from version 7 onwards.Quote:
Originally posted by abhaysk
No row level locking huh?????
I hate it when people refer to MS SQL Server as SQL Server.
SQL Server is every server that you can communicate to it with SQL.
"MS SQL Server" is the product name.
TOMAZZ :Quote:
Originally posted by TomazZ
MS SQL Server has row locking from version 7 onwards.
I hate it when people refer to MS SQL Server as SQL Server.
SQL Server is every server that you can communicate to it with SQL.
"MS SQL Server" is the product name.
Are you sure, the MS SQL Server has row level locking from 7.x?
Coz in our systems, IF TRAN 1 is acting on table A for rows say 1 to N, then TRAN 2 will wait till TRAN 1 compeletes iresspective of TRAN 2 actine ROWS Table A, may it be N+1 to M or so.
And also I have noted that SELECT doesnt work if any TRAN is acting on Table X.
From 2000 ver I dunnoo... I guess it does have row level in this Ver.
OK as far as usage of SQL Server is conserned, The DB in question was MS Sql Server, so i didnt find necessary to use MS.. MS.. MS.. always.....
Abhay.
. . . or even just SQL ! !Quote:
Originally posted by TomazZ
I hate it when people refer to MS SQL Server as SQL Server.
I AGREE !
ME TOOQuote:
Originally posted by DaPi
. . . or even just SQL ! !
I AGREE !
Why should other products like SQL and SQL servers get a bad name because of MS SQL Server. Be specific.
Guys why are you debating on one mistyped word or rather lazy not to type an extra MS, when we all know we are pointing MS SQL Server ;)
Actually you were quite generous with MSes in you posts relative to jonreade ;)Quote:
Originally posted by abhaysk
Guys why are you debating on one mistyped word or rather lazy not to type an extra MS, when we all know we are pointing MS SQL Server ;)
I hate the fact we all know that with SQL Server we are refering the MS SQL Server. This is also one of MS' pain in the ass (but successful) marketing approaches. Using common words for product names.
But anyway. If I say I am going to the office I don't expect you to know I mean MS Office.
So, why are we talking about Sybase SQL Server?
:D
"SUCKS, WORST, STUPID" sounds generous to you?Quote:
Originally posted by TomazZ
Actually you were quite generous with MSes in you posts relative to jonreade ;)
No, I was refering to your using of MS in product names.Quote:
Originally posted by abhaysk
"SUCKS, WORST, STUPID" sounds generous to you?
I wanted to explain that when I wrote "I hate not using MS in product names" it was not because of you posts, because it's quite obvious you use it.