talk about 80,000 OCP DBA's.....i remember taking my backup class and i encountered this guy and he had just finished his exams.......the last thing you'd expect someone like him to ask is......'i really dont understand how the SQL*LOADER works'.....gee that nearly blew me of, and weeks later he got a job...lol.......and funny thing is i ran across this guy yesterday and he's O8 certified, and guess what?....we was running this command.......CREATE USER BLAH IDENTIFIED BY BLAH GRANT SELECT ALL TO BLAH WITH ADMIN OPTION;....thats one line command........God bless Larry.