Hey

I have managed to fix the problem due to your help.

when I cloned the Database I did not copy the bdump folder over in the admin folder.

with the result that there was no log file. I have created the bdump folder and the log file and shut down and started up the database again to fill the log file with data for you.

but because the log file was there this time the Database started up properly

thank a million buddy i really appriciate this

Graham