Evolution: theory or fact
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  • The concept of evolution has been proven enough.

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  • While evolution is a likely scenario, it still needs to be proven.

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  • Evolution is still only a theory.

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  • Creationism is the only true answer.

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    Evolution: theory or fact

    The issue of whether just evolution should be taught, just creationism or both has come up quite a bit recently. What do you think?

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    Ah, now here's a subject we can all enjoy.

    Can I get anyone to say "evolution is just a theory"?
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    Ah, now here's a subject we can all enjoy.

    Can I get anyone to say "evolution is just a theory"?
    You just did.
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    WHAT?
    A non-political thread?

    I lack sufficient education to answer this question.
    I remember when this place was cool.

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    Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
    WHAT?
    A non-political thread?

    I lack sufficient education to answer this question.
    Hey, there's no educational requirements on this one at all. All you need to take part in this thread is a strong opinion.

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    Originally posted by slimdave
    Hey, there's no educational requirements on this one at all. All you need to take part in this thread is a strong opinion.

    He does have that, no facts to back it up, but he has strong opinions!
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    Can I get anyone to say "evolution is just a theory"?
    YOU BET! Especially if you leave out the "just". (I think you do this just to get me on a hobby-horse again ).

    It gets right up my nose to hear people say "it's just a theory" when they don't want to believe something. Theories are good.
    Facts are facts; theories are theories; don't mix then up.

    Theories are models of reality which explain facts, make predictions (and thus can be useful) and are disprovable ( la Pepper). Relativity and Quantum-Electrodynamics are theories - very good ones, which make predictions that are verified to 10+ decimal places - but we already know that a theory of Quantum Gravity (when it comes along) will superceede them, as these two superceeded Newton's world view.

    Evolution is a theory - it makes predictions (not very strong ones I would say) and is consequently disprovable.

    Creationism does not seem to make disprovable predictions (I wait to be corrected on this) so is something less than a theory.

    Two examples (I paraphrase from memory):

    - Niels Bohr on hearing some proposition:
    "It's bad. It's not even wrong!" (i.e. it wasn't testable).

    - Roger Penrose on Fred Hoyle's steady-state Universe (as opposed to the big-bang):
    "It was a very good theory, it explained facts and made predictions. It turned out to be wrong."

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    Of course when someone dismisses the Theory of Evolution with the phrase "it's just a theory", they display their own ignorance of the nature of a scientific theory, right?

    Lesson One in these scientific text books ought to be on the nature of a scientific theory, and the difference between that and the common usage of the word to mean "guess" or "notion". That'd put these stickers into perspective.
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    Of course when someone dismisses the Theory of Evolution with the phrase "it's just a theory", they display their own ignorance of the nature of a scientific theory, right?
    SPOT ON!

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    Originally posted by gandolf989
    He does have that, no facts to back it up, but he has storng opinions!
    At least I can spell STRONG developer boy!
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