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    Originally posted by gandolf989
    I will take a candidate, like Kerry, who studies the facts and then forms an opinion over, someone like Bush who wants to change the facts to support his own beliefs.
    You must be some kind of goddam atheist or something! What an outrageous suggestion, "studies the facts".
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    Originally posted by gandolf989
    I will take a candidate, like Kerry, who studies the facts and then forms an opinion...
    ...and then changes his mind when the polling numbers come out and changes his mind again when some of his liberal wannabes put a bug in his ear and changes is mind again when the wind blows from the south...
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    You must be some kind of goddam atheist or something! What an outrageous suggestion, "studies the facts".
    Tell us, are you talking about the same John Kerry who studied the same facts as the President and determined that Sadamm was a threat? Or are you talking about the John Kerry that voted to not fund the troops after he determined that Sadamm was a threat?
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    Originally posted by marist89
    Tell us, are you talking about the same John Kerry who studied the same facts as the President and determined that Sadamm was a threat? Or are you talking about the John Kerry that voted to not fund the troops after he determined that Sadamm was a threat?
    This would be the John Kerry that voted against the additional funding after the GOP refused to stop cutting rich people's taxes to help pay for it.
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    Originally posted by marist89
    ...and then changes his mind when the polling numbers come out and changes his mind again when some of his liberal wannabes put a bug in his ear and changes is mind again when the wind blows from the south...
    I think it's your guy who had the "bug in his ear" -- it's his long-established practice.

    In the fantasy world that Bush lives in you must never, never change your mind about anything, right? You know when the right time is to "change your horse in midstream"? When it becomes apparant that the one you're on is so dumb that he can't tell which is the right direction.
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    This would be the John Kerry that voted against the additional funding after the GOP refused to stop cutting rich people's taxes to help pay for it.
    Oh, do you mean the top 20% that pay 63% of the taxes in this country, or the bottom 40% that pay 6%? Sounds fair to me!
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    It is sad that all this will be over next Tuesday.

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    I remember when this place was cool.

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    Originally posted by marist89
    Oh, do you mean the top 20% that pay 63% of the taxes in this country, or the bottom 40% that pay 6%? Sounds fair to me!
    Is that right? Wow. Look what I found at http://www.census.gov ...

    PHP Code:
    Table IE-3.  Household Shares of Aggregate Income by Fifths
    of the Income Distribution
    :  1967 to 2001

    ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
                                
    Share of aggregate income             
                     
    ------------------------------------------------ 
    Year               Lowest  Second   Third  Fourth Highest   Top 5 
                        fifth   fifth   fifth   fifth   fifth percent 
    ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
    2001                  3.5     8.7    14.6    23.0    50.1    22.4 
    2000 30
    /              3.6     8.9    14.8    23.0    49.8    22.1 
    2000 
    /29              3.6     8.9    14.9    23.0    49.6    21.9 
    1999                  3.6     8.9    14.9    23.2    49.4    21.5 
    1998                  3.6     9.0    15.0    23.2    49.2    21.4 
    1997                  3.6     8.9    15.0    23.2    49.4    21.7 
    1996                  3.7     9.0    15.1    23.3    49.0    21.4 
    1995 25
    /              3.7     9.1    15.2    23.3    48.7    21.0 
    1994 24
    /              3.6     8.9    15.0    23.4    49.1    21.2 
    1993 23
    /              3.6     9.0    15.1    23.5    48.9    21.0 
    1992 22
    /              3.8     9.4    15.8    24.2    46.9    18.6 
    1991                  3.8     9.6    15.9    24.2    46.5    18.1 
    1990                  3.9     9.6    15.9    24.0    46.6    18.6 
    1989                  3.8     9.5    15.8    24.0    46.8    18.9 
    1988                  3.8     9.6    16.0    24.3    46.3    18.3 
    1987 21
    /              3.8     9.6    16.1    24.3    46.2    18.2 
    1986                  3.9     9.7    16.2    24.5    45.7    17.5 
    1985 20
    /              4.0     9.7    16.3    24.6    45.3    17.0 
    1984                  4.1     9.9    16.4    24.7    44.9    16.5 
    1983 19
    /              4.1    10.0    16.5    24.7    44.7    16.4 
    1982                  4.1    10.1    16.6    24.7    44.5    16.2 
    1981                  4.2    10.2    16.8    25.0    43.8    15.6 
    1980                  4.3    10.3    16.9    24.9    43.7    15.8 
    1979 18
    /              4.2    10.3    16.9    24.7    44.0    16.4 
    1978                  4.3    10.3    16.9    24.8    43.7    16.2 
    1977                  4.4    10.3    17.0    24.8    43.6    16.1 
    1976 17
    /              4.4    10.4    17.1    24.8    43.3    16.0 
    1975 16
    /              4.4    10.5    17.1    24.8    43.2    15.9 
    1974 16
    /15/           4.4    10.6    17.1    24.7    43.1    15.9 
    1973                  4.2    10.5    17.1    24.6    43.6    16.6 
    1972 14
    /              4.1    10.5    17.1    24.5    43.9    17.0 
    1971 13
    /              4.1    10.6    17.3    24.5    43.5    16.7 
    1970                  4.1    10.8    17.4    24.5    43.3    16.6 
    1969                  4.1    10.9    17.5    24.5    43.0    16.6 
    1968                  4.2    11.1    17.5    24.4    42.8    16.6 
    1967 12
    /              4.0    10.8    17.3    24.2    43.8    17.5 
                                                                      
    Changes in Shares                                                 
                                                                      
    1967 to 1980          7.5    
    -4.6    -2.3     2.9    -0.2    -9.7 
    1980 to 1993        
    -11.6    -8.7    -6.5    -2.8     7.3    17.7 

    NOTE
    Change in data collection methodology suggests pre-1993
    and post-1992 estimates are not strictly comparable
    Here's what GWB says ...
    Most of the tax cuts went to low- and middle-income Americans
    This from the New Yorker endorsement that you enjoyed ...
    Citizens for Tax Justice, a Washington research group whose findings have proved highly dependable, notes that, this year, a typical person in the lowest fifth of the income distribution will get a tax cut of ninety-one dollars, a typical person in the middle fifth will pocket eight hundred and sixty-three dollars, and a typical person in the top one per cent will collect a windfall of fifty-nine thousand two hundred and ninety-two dollars.
    Really, I don't know how us high-earners manage to survive. It's a good job GWB has all those Christian ethics to guide him in helping us towards a more just and equitable society.
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    Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
    It is sad that all this will be over next Tuesday.

    :(
    I think we can all agree on this. I'm sitting here waiting for my SQL to finish running, and I'd be desperately bored without this.

    I just had to spend my tax savings on a memory upgrade for my desktop, by the way. It's enough to make you weep.
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    Originally posted by slimdave
    Is that right? Wow. Look what I found at http://www.census.gov ...
    wow, is that right. Look what I found
    http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index...uence=1&from=0
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    Share of Total Federal Tax Liabilities
    Income Category 	2001 	2002 	2003 	2004 	2005 	2006 	2007 	2008 	2009 	2010 	2011 	2012 	2013 	2014 
    Lowest
    Quintile 	1.2 	1.2 	1.2 	1.3 	1.3 	1.3 	1.3 	1.3 	1.4 	1.4 	1.4 	1.4 	1.4 	1.5
    Second
    Quintile 	5.3 	5.3 	5.3 	5.4 	5.4 	5.4 	5.4 	5.5 	5.5 	5.5 	5.5 	5.6 	5.6 	5.6
    Middle
    Quintile 	10.3 	10.3 	10.3 	10.4 	10.4 	10.4 	10.4 	10.5 	10.5 	10.6 	10.6 	10.7 	10.7 	10.7
    Fourth
    Quintile 	18.7 	18.7 	18.8 	18.8 	18.8 	18.9 	18.9 	19.0 	19.0 	19.1 	19.1 	19.2 	19.2 	19.2
    Highest Quintile 	64.4 	64.3 	64.2 	64.0 	64.0 	63.8 	63.7 	63.6 	63.4 	63.3 	63.2 	63.0 	62.9 	62.8
     
    All Quintiles 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0 	100.0
     
    Top 10 Percent 	49.1 	48.9 	48.8 	48.7 	48.6 	48.5 	48.4 	48.2 	48.1 	48.0 	47.8 	47.7 	47.6 	47.4
    Top 5 Percent 	37.8 	37.6 	37.5 	37.4 	37.3 	37.2 	37.1 	36.9 	36.8 	36.7 	36.5 	36.4 	36.3 	36.1
    Top 1 Percent 	22.2 	22.1 	22.0 	21.9 	21.8 	21.7 	21.5 	21.4 	21.3 	21.2 	21.1 	20.9 	20.8 	20.7
    and I bet that bottom 20 dude got a lot more enjoyment out of his $91 of cold duck than Bill Gates got out of his 59 grand.
    Jeff Hunter

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