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OMG! I am loosing faith to you peeps! Now that my boss is forcing me to take certification exams you guys wont hire me :(
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Hi All
I think that a good DBA should do his OCP.but if a person has done his OCP that does not mean he is a good DBA ..kinda of confusing statement but worthwhile to ponder
regards
Hrishy
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Originally posted by marist89
Originally posted by julian
Oracle has 5 tests for that and still many people claim that those test do not show anything :-)
I, too, am one of those individuals that have lost faith in the OCP Process. There are just too many paper OCP's out there that have not one minute of experience. I used to seek out OCPs, now I shy away from them.
Jeff, I talked with the guys from Oracle Education at OracleWorld about the paper OCP problem. I was told that they will change the type of questions, so that real experience will be needed to answer them.
But I am not "one of those people" :-) If somebody knows that in order to create a rollback segment he has to type
Code:
CREATE ROLLBACK SEGMENT RBS01 TABLESPACE RBS
STORAGE (INITIAL 256K NEXT 256K OPTIMAL 5M MINEXTENTS 20);
well, then he will type it and press enter. What's the big deal after all. Experience is implementation of knowledge, to a certain extent at least.
"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, or looks like a duck..... It's probably a duck".
Oracle Certified Master
Oracle Certified Professional 6i,8i,9i,10g,11g,12c
email: ocp_9i@yahoo.com
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The most important of all is to be able to show what you can do!
And all the guys who're talking of employing/not employing guys with ocp certs. Just call them in, put a computer and judge his level of understanding by giving simple tasks to perform, beginning with installing the software/configuring the db, etc and also the job specific duties, backup/etc.
Once you get an idea that ok i can bank my money on him, hire him/her.
Tarry Singh
I'm a JOLE(JavaOracleLinuxEnthusiast)
--- Everything was meant to be---
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It's the same old story. You're not a qualified doctor just by sitting exams. You have to do a house-mans year in a hosital after you exams. At that point you choose your specialisation and do some more exams and get some more experience.
OCP is the same thing. It is the first link in the chain. It proves a basic knowledge of a number of key Oracle features. It doesn't make you and Oracle God, only slightly devine
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Originally posted by pando
OMG! I am loosing faith to you peeps! Now that my boss is forcing me to take certification exams you guys wont hire me :(
So employers are gonna be scared of the ocp's.
Just like the CNN interview i saw where a cartoonist made a cartoon with 2 kids complaining to their mom..
"He called me the CEO first!!"(That after the world.com debacle and arrests)
Cheers!!!
Tarry Singh
I'm a JOLE(JavaOracleLinuxEnthusiast)
--- Everything was meant to be---
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Originally posted by julian
If somebody knows that in order to create a rollback segment he has to type
Code:
CREATE ROLLBACK SEGMENT RBS01 TABLESPACE RBS
STORAGE (INITIAL 256K NEXT 256K OPTIMAL 5M MINEXTENTS 20);
well, then he will type it and press enter. What's the big deal after all.
Yes, but what if he/she thinks the SYSTEM tablespace would be better and doesn't want to take up a lot of space in the SYSTEM tablespace because they read it was important. So they:
Code:
CREATE ROLLBACK SEGMENT RBS01 TABLESPACE SYSTEM
STORAGE (INITIAL 256K NEXT 256K OPTIMAL 512K MINEXTENTS 2)
"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, or looks like a duck..... It's probably a duck".
Or, it might just be a duck hunter with a really good decoy.
Jeff Hunter
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Originally posted by Tarry
And all the guys who're talking of employing/not employing guys with ocp certs. Just call them in, put a computer and judge his level of understanding by giving simple tasks to perform, beginning with installing the software/configuring the db, etc and also the job specific duties, backup/etc.
Which brings us back to the original question....
Jeff Hunter
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Yes, but what if he/she thinks the SYSTEM tablespace would be better and doesn't want to take up a lot of space in the SYSTEM tablespace because they read it was important. So they:
Code:
CREATE ROLLBACK SEGMENT RBS01 TABLESPACE SYSTEM
STORAGE (INITIAL 256K NEXT 256K OPTIMAL 512K MINEXTENTS 2)
Well, when you notice that, you take the RBS offline, drop it and recreate it properly. And tell him/her: "OCP, yeah, right..." :-)
Oracle Certified Master
Oracle Certified Professional 6i,8i,9i,10g,11g,12c
email: ocp_9i@yahoo.com
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Originally posted by Tarry
And all the guys who're talking of employing/not employing guys with ocp certs. Just call them in, put a computer and judge his level of understanding by giving simple tasks to perform, beginning with installing the software/configuring the db, etc and also the job specific duties, backup/etc.
You mean for one DBA, 2/3 people(DBA,HR) have to waste their valuable time. Is it campus recruiting or what ? Don't expect a DBA to spend 4/8 hours of his time for interview...
May be an idea to consider if you need a wing of DBAs(4 or more) and you have already few DBAs who can spare little time of theirs... Practicality is little far as it is always...
P.S: Its never ending debate, We have gone over this hundreds of times. OCP is valuable, if one gets it right way... by studying and practising...
[Edited by sreddy on 08-06-2002 at 10:56 AM]
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