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    Oracle University, OCP, Oracle Masters are not accredited. OCP does not count as a post-secondary certificate. I believe this is the biggest drawback of the OCP program.

    A plumber who does OCP and OCM is still a plumber, educationwise. His oracle education does not count towards a degree, diploma or a post-secondary certificate.

    Potential OCP candidates should know this. The funniest thing is that if you take an oracle course in a community college that has the same curriculum as, for example, OCP exam 1z0-001 you will get credits that count towards a diploma.
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    Personally that doesn't bother me. The less people who are certified the better it is for me I reckon. Additionally, is there any certification that is accredited?
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    Originally posted by kris109
    Oracle University, OCP, Oracle Masters are not accredited. OCP does not count as a post-secondary certificate. I believe this is the biggest drawback of the OCP program.

    A plumber who does OCP and OCM is still a plumber, educationwise. His oracle education does not count towards a degree, diploma or a post-secondary certificate.

    Potential OCP candidates should know this. The funniest thing is that if you take an oracle course in a community college that has the same curriculum as, for example, OCP exam 1z0-001 you will get credits that count towards a diploma.
    Although you seem to have the firm opinion on the difference between academic and non-accredited degrees, you still place your Ph.D. and OCP 8i DBA next to each other below your name :-)


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    I would bet that you have been asked where you completed your Ph.D, but never been asked who the body was that gave the institution accredidation.

    Comparing Oracle training and formal education is comparing apples and oranges. (Sorry for the idiom).
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    If you wan't another degree do one. I think getting credits towards one by doing a variety of potentially unrelated certifications misses the point entirely.

    I've found OCP more useful to me than my degree and PhD put together. Does that mean it's better? No. Does it mean it's more useful? For me yes! Do my thoughts on the matter count for sh*t? No

    By the way, I place my OCP and training courses above my degrees on my resume. To me they are more relevant to an employer.

    [Edited by TimHall on 02-19-2002 at 04:17 AM]
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    A friend of mine applied for a job that requires at least 2-year post secondary education in computers + 3 years experience. He showed his OCP and said he had 10 years in Oracle. He does not have a formal degree. He was rejected.

    Now he is doing a 2-year diploma as a database specialist in a community college and what is the curriculum you say - for 22 credits it is the same as for OCP APP and DBA.

    The point is that Oracle Education is NOT formal education. For those people who have a choice of blowing $10000 on ILT and another $1000 on OCP OR get an career diploma, OCP is a LOSER.

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    Where are you and your friend based?

    Was the job in government or private enterprise?

    [Edited by dknight on 02-19-2002 at 09:26 AM]
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    Haven't we had this conversation in a different flavor already. University vs Non-University, as I said this argument will not go away. I think everyone makes a great point here and I am not knocking education but let's face it, a lot of it is bull****. I am considering going back to school because a lot of people have the mindset that you need a piece of paper to get a job, that is an unfortunate reality. I am also looking further down the road in my career and if you want to ascend to the upper levels of management you will need that slip of paper.

    Last week Jeff (Marist) posted a problem where he could not find the person that issued a recover database statement, one of his own employees. This is a perfect example of what you can NOT learn in any university, honesty and integrity. I had to go into my managers cube once, look him square in the eye and tell him " I f*ck$d up". As it turns out I won his respect by doing this. That is just one example of what I mean when I say that there are far too many variables to judge any one person on there degree or level of education. I wish more people felt this way but again that is not the reality of the situation. Again, as was stated last week, those personality traits are very hard to determine on an interview and would be more of a word of mouth thing or come via a recommendation.

    That is my 2 cents for the morning.

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    [Edited by Mr.Hanky on 02-19-2002 at 09:38 AM]
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    I rather hire someone with a college degree, 9i OCP and little EXP than someone without a degree but 10 years of Oracle EXP. Big deal that the guy with the 10 year EXP has used Version 5 or Version 6 or Forms 3. Now, there is Oracle 9i and it has 4 times the stuff contained in Oracle 7. I would prefer someone having the academical analytical knowledge, not someone making the 9 to 5 days. I say all that having seen people with years of Oracle EXP still doing the things with Version 6 methods. I have seen also young educated guys who learn the new stuff within months. But still, an experienced guy might be the better choice :-)




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    DK,

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    The client is a govt. agency.

    The guy I mentioned is slogging his butt in Hennepin Technical College.

    [Edited by kris109 on 02-19-2002 at 10:29 AM]
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