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  1. #11
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    Not to mention that no one hires DBOs, they hire Junior DBAs (sometimes)!!

    There's my 2 cents.
    Well, it might be a surprise to you but I know an OCP DBO who is the main DBA at a rather big company (the term Senior DBA does not exist there).

    And I wouldn't trust very much what a Director of the OCP Program at Oracle would say. There are things thyey can say and things that they cannot say.


  2. #12
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    Originally posted by jonathan
    having working with oracle for several yrs. I decided to take the OCP.. you guess what!! when i recieved my cetification i am very disappointed..There are two things a piece of plastic with your name on it .Anyone can fake it easily. How the hell Lary Ellision suggested a national ID but his OCP does not !! and a piece of paper signed my VP of Oracle....no companies care about who have or have no OCP.

    hey at least you get that logo for free. Where are you based John ?

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    You should have known what will you get once you pass the exam.


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    Originally posted by julian
    And most OCPs I have met in person are in fact DBOs.
    I wouldn't drive any conclusions from that fact, it can just be some kind of peculiarity from your neighbourhood . I', for example know about dozen of OCPs (in person), and only one of them is DBO, all others are DBAs or developers.

    Moreover, concluding from the postings in this forum I would say the former director of the OCP Program at Oracle was telling the truth about OCP DBO certification not performing well. I'd say less than 1 of a 20 candidates for OCP in this forum is preparing for OCP DBO exam, the vast majority is aiming for DBA track.
    Jurij Modic
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    You get out of it, what you put in. That's it, clear and simple.

    [Edited by grjohnson on 02-05-2002 at 08:02 PM]
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    Here is a typical Job Posting in the Victoria, Canada area.


    Our client, a leading systems integrator, requires Programmer/Analysts for anticipated projects this year in Victoria. An ideal candidate will have experience with Oracle Forms and Reports 6i, Developer 2000 suite and some DBA skills. Nice to have skills would be AIX administration experience.


    Gee,
    OCP

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    Here is a typical Job Posting in the England:


    Our client, a leading blue chip company, requires Programmer/Analysts/DBA with 10 years experience in Oracle, SQL Server, DB2 and Access. Must know VB, Java, Perl, COBOL and Delphi. Experience of system admin on NT/2000, HP-UX and Solaris vital. Pilots licence and light house-cleaning a bonus!


    Tim...
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    OCA PL/SQL Developer
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    My blog: www.oracle-base.com/blog

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    Here is a job add from Finland, I will not translate it but look at the text in bold. The sentence above it says: You are required to have strong background in the following areas/techniques. How does it sound?

    ==========
    Onesta Solutions Oy on suomalainen, riippumaton ja vakavarainen Internet-teknologiaratkaisuihin erikoistunut yritys. Yrityksellä on vahva kokemus tuotteistettujen portaalijärjestelmien kehittämisestä ja hyödyntämisestä asiakasprojekteissa. Ratkaisumme perustuvat avoimiin J2EE- ja XML-standardeihin.

    Haemme nyt kokenutta J2EE-sovellusarkkitehtia vastaamaan yrityksemme tuotekehityksestä.

    Toivomme sinulta vähintään 2 vuoden käytännön kokemusta EJB-arkkitehtuuriin perustuvasta ohjelmistosuunnittelusta. Osaat myös käytännössä ohjelmiston kehitysprosessin eri vaiheet ja hallitset työssäsi sujuvasti oliomallinnuksen välineet. Ymmärrät versiohallinnan merkityksen tuotteistuksen kriittisenä menestystekijänä. Sinulla on soveltuva koulutus, hyvä Englannin kielen taito, sekä vankka kokemus Internet-teknologioiden hyödyntämisestä.


    Sinulla on vahvaa osaamista seuraavista tekniikoista:

    · J2EE (EJB, Servlet, JSP, JMS), XML
    · Middleware (Webshere, Weblogic, Orion)
    · Oracle, DB2, SQL, Sybase
    · Linux, Unix, Windows NT


    Lisäksi arvostamme

    · Nopeaa oppimiskykyä
    · Luovaa ongelmanratkaisukykyä
    · Sitoutunutta ja motivoitunutta asennetta
    · Kykyä toimia osana tiimiä

    Tarjoamme sinulle

    · Työskentelyä ja kehittymistä uusimman teknologian parissa
    · Ammattitaitoiset ja motivoituneet työtoverit
    · Haasteita erittäin mielenkiintoisten tuotteiden parissa


    Ota yhteyttä, kerromme mielellämme sinulle lisää:

    Onesta Solutions Oy
    Viktor Hirvelä
    Sinimäentie 10 C
    02630 ESPOOs
    GSM +359 (0) 400 645 959
    mailto viktor.hirvela@rtse.coma




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    Bloody Hell Julian!

    I made mine up. Is that for real?

    They are obviously using the shopping list approach. List every skill in the department and hope someone has a subset of them.

    I think I can spell all of them. Does that count?
    Tim...
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    OCA PL/SQL Developer
    Oracle ACE Director
    My website: www.oracle-base.com
    My blog: www.oracle-base.com/blog

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    I made mine up. Is that for real?

    This will be really helpful to people who are trying to decide there future career paths.

    Let's all start making things up and then we can call this the BS board.



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