No kidding that's was my ignorence coming though when I thought I could do Acces so Oracle would be no troble..... I was totaly lost for the first 6 months I worked at it. Slowly I started to learn...I spent ours with Oracle docs and the DBA handbook.... But I did learn.. I am not sorry that I had that much trouble at the start I had to learn and learn fast. The only thing that was of any use from my Access learning was the basics of SQL and design.