Bush CAFO rules changes cause burning problem!

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01-31-2005, 10:58 AM
gandolf989

Bush CAFO rules changes cause burning problem!

One of many articles describing the changes to the Confined Animal Feeding Operations (CAFO) rules.

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-Permitting & Self-permitting-
In a most astonishing development, EPA’s rules allow the CAFO operator to write its own Nutrient Management Plan, and then shields the CAFO from enforcement as long as it has implemented the Plan. This write your own ticket to pollution approach has been soundly rejected by the 9th Circuit in a case challenging EPA’s similar approach to urban stormwater.

Which results in large Manure fires, which can't be put out with water! :rolleyes:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart...RATION.sff.jpg

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A huge mountain of cow manure is seen smoldering at a feedlot near Milford, Neb., Tuesday, Jan. 18, 2005. The estimated 2,000-ton pile of burning cow manure spontaneously combusted about two months ago and continues to smolder despite attempts to douse it. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik)
01-31-2005, 11:07 AM
Mr.Hanky

Oh gandolf, saving the world one pile of sh*t at a time.
01-31-2005, 11:16 AM
gandolf989

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
Oh gandolf, saving the world one pile of sh*t at a time.

Unfortunately for you, you can't be saved!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
02-01-2005, 12:12 PM
slimdave

What's needed is a small-to-medium sized state that already smells like sh*t, and that no-one gives a sh*t about, so all the sh*t can be sent there. Preferably on the East Coast so the prevailing winds carry the stench out to sea.

H'mmm, I wonder which one would be best suited?
02-01-2005, 12:15 PM
Mr.Hanky

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Originally posted by slimdave
What's needed is a small-to-medium sized state that already smells like sh*t, and that no-one gives a sh*t about, so all the sh*t can be sent there. Preferably on the East Coast so the prevailing winds carry the stench out to sea.

H'mmm, I wonder which one would be best suited?

Look a little further east for your answer Limey!
02-01-2005, 12:33 PM
gandolf989

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Originally posted by slimdave
What's needed is a small-to-medium sized state that already smells like sh*t, and that no-one gives a sh*t about, so all the sh*t can be sent there. Preferably on the East Coast so the prevailing winds carry the stench out to sea.

H'mmm, I wonder which one would be best suited?

Well it can't be New Joisey, that's already being used. :D
02-01-2005, 02:37 PM
Alchemy

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Well it can't be New Joisey, that's already being used

I probably wouldn't put that on the folks of where Mr Hanky was refering, but south of there?..........maybe.

Just keep it out of the Virginia's
02-01-2005, 03:26 PM
Mr.Hanky

Ok, let’s compromise, we can send it all to Philadelphia.
02-01-2005, 04:22 PM
slimdave

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
Look a little further east for your answer Limey!

That's OK, you'd never find it anyway ... http://archives.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATI...eography.quiz/

On the other hand ...

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Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific.

• When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state.

• On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map.

• In the world map test, Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16 countries. Germans and Italians were next, with an average of 12 each.

• Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.

• Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could find Saudi Arabia on the map.
02-01-2005, 04:34 PM
Mr.Hanky

Poor poor dave. Educated, "intellectual", British and stuck here with all of us stupid Americans with our stupid politicians.

I am playing the worlds saddest song on the worlds smallest violin just for you.

:D
02-01-2005, 04:35 PM
Mr.Hanky

Ps.

Go Home Limey!!
02-01-2005, 04:40 PM
slimdave

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
Poor poor dave. Educated, "intellectual", British and stuck here with all of us stupid Americans with our stupid politicians.

I am playing the worlds saddest song on the worlds smallest violin just for you.

:D

Please don't feel sorry -- it's why I earn more than you!

:D
02-01-2005, 04:43 PM
slimdave

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
Ps.

Go Home Limey!!

And be single-handedly responsible for the collapse of the average IQ in this country? I couldn't have that on my conscience.
02-01-2005, 05:08 PM
DaPi

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Originally posted by slimdave
only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map

So it wasn't all negative - I mean 70% gave a better answer :)
02-01-2005, 05:10 PM
Alchemy

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Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map.

As appalling as that stat is, and it is to me, I have to question those surveyed. I HAVE to believe the eleven percent that could not locate the US on a map probably could not locate their native country['s] on a map. As for having difficulty locating any given state, I, again have to believe that those having difficulty could not locate their native country['s] on a map.

All in all though, this does not suprise me, the way the "public education system" has dumbed down the kids in the last 20 years, I'm suprised most, if not all, could wipe their own backside.

When I was young I NOT ONLY had to know AND locate the states, I had to know their capital and I recieived money for correctly naming EVERY capital, none of this "based on a percentage crap"

Though I can not say the same for other countries, I was decent at being able to locate them on a map and know their capital.
02-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Mr.Hanky

No sh*T.

I was in quick Check the other day and the high schooler in there could not figure out how much 3/4 of a pound was on her scale.
Even though I explained that it is .75 she still did not get it.
Basic math,....fuggetabout it, use a calculator.
02-01-2005, 05:52 PM
slimdave

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
... the high schooler in there could not figure out how much 3/4 of a pound was on her scale ...

Let me be first to say ... "future developer"!
02-01-2005, 05:59 PM
Mr.Hanky

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Originally posted by slimdave
Let me be first to say ... "future developer"!

Dammit Dave!!

I hate when we agree on things, it just takes the wind out of O.U.
02-02-2005, 11:34 AM
gandolf989

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Originally posted by slimdave
Let me be first to say ... "future developer"!

People who can, develop. People who can't get to babysit the database and complain! :D :D :D
02-02-2005, 11:38 AM
Mr.Hanky

Now THIS is getting interesting, I'm gonna sit on the sidelines and watch this one unfold.
02-02-2005, 11:47 AM
gandolf989

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Originally posted by Mr.Hanky
I'm gonna sit on the sidelines and watch this one unfold.

Not likely!!!
02-02-2005, 11:55 AM
slimdave

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Originally posted by gandolf989
People who can, develop. People who can't get to babysit the database and complain! :D :D :D

... and some special people can do both :)
02-02-2005, 12:07 PM
DaPi

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Originally posted by slimdave
... and some special people can do both :)

If, on top of that, you can do data modeling and statistical analysis, you are classfied as a Jack-Of-All-Trades. Which makes it impossible to get a new job coz: (a) you obviously have no depth (b) you don't fit into any of the pidgeon-holes that management deal with.
02-05-2005, 07:57 AM
DaPi

Microsoft isn't too hot on geography either - look at the M$ ad on these pages with the the Swiss Department of Federal Affairs "case-study" - according to the animation the servers are managed from Minsk now!