Hi all,
what you guys/gals think about futures of fresh OCP DBAs? as the OCP become easier to pass (even without any experience in IT, One can pass OCP) today!! like MCSE, CNA, CNE...etc OCP DBA will be available at $1 a ...!
Printable View
Hi all,
what you guys/gals think about futures of fresh OCP DBAs? as the OCP become easier to pass (even without any experience in IT, One can pass OCP) today!! like MCSE, CNA, CNE...etc OCP DBA will be available at $1 a ...!
It will not be easy in the future to get good jobs with or without OCP. OCP is just a paper that says that you are kind of an Oracle guru. Now, the point is: who will believe it or at least take it seriously. In my opinion, the passing level is a bit low. Oracle should raise it to 90% or something. Then all people reading the stuff from books only, will find it a bit more difficult to pass the exams. Also, Oracle could introduce some real life questions, sort of after doing whatever it is you get this and that error, what do you do next. Not just silly questions like: "How many primary keys are cached...."Quote:
...even without any experience in IT, One can pass OCP) today...
Hi Julian,
I Agree, Oracle should test real scenario and should test in such way so it should screen-out parrot(who memorized without knowing how does it works). What you think about Time limit they provide(i.e. 90 min)?
OCP cannot test motivation or dedication.
In today's tight job market, why would a manager not use the try before buy approach (contract to hire).
If after 3 months everything is going okay, sign a permanent contract.
That is what all firms do in Scandinavia. But 3 months is not a very long period, after 3 months not everything about the employee will be still clear :-)Quote:
If after 3 months everything is going okay, sign a permanent contract.
About the 90' given for most of the OCP exams: I think it is enough. It is not short but not long at all! Only at my first exam (SQL, 120'), I finished 10' from time. I remember that for P&T, B&R and Net8, I was ready in less than 60'. Then I used 10' to go after most of my answers and I usually change a couple :-)
I think 90 minutes is a long time. I took a max of 30 minutes (SQL) ont the OPC8 exams the rest were about 20 minutes and the 8i upgrade was about 25 minutes.
You either know the stuff or not. I will say that I have about 10 yeasrs experience before I decided to go for the certification.
8i upgrade in 25'?? And you had 10 years of 8i experience? Or you think that Version 5 experience helped in the 8i upgrade :-)Quote:
... the 8i upgrade was about 25 minutes.
You either know the stuff or not. I will say that I have about 10 yeasrs experience before I decided to go for the certification.
I wish you the very best of luck on the 9i upgrade, you may try to break your record and make the 9i exam in 15'.
Pardon me that I am so sceptic but if I say to someone that a guy over the Internet called GARYM, made the 8i upgrade in 25', well, they might not really buy it :-)
I've never spent more than 30 minutes in all the tests I've taken. I've never timed myself to the minute, but I know if I have a 9:00 testing time, I've got my test results and I'm back in the car by 9:40.Quote:
Originally posted by GARYM
I think 90 minutes is a long time. I took a max of 30 minutes (SQL) ont the OPC8 exams the rest were about 20 minutes and the 8i upgrade was about 25 minutes.
Yes I have 10 years experience with different versions of Oracle Yes I have looked at 6 barely, Ihave time using 7.0,7,1,7.3,8.x and was using 8i for one year before I took the test.
I left my office at 9 for the test center (which is just done the hall from my office). I was back in my office at my computer working on a clients migration problem at 9:35. Yes I think the time I spent learning Oracle and not just reading some exam book helped me a great deal. By the way I passed each test on the first try. I did not say the exam was easy just that I took it in the time I specified and I still think you know the stuff or not. Agonizing over it does not help you know the stuff better.
Hi all,
I think most of all who have enough knowledge/experience they passed exam within 60'. I'm planning to take exam for O9i upgrade in April.
Garym, I also passed all exam at 1st attempt and within 60' but I'm habituated (like Julian)to go back and review all questions to be safe side. I found O8 upgrade exam most easy among them.
[Edited by vimalp on 03-06-2002 at 11:08 AM]
All the questions are from ILT books. That is the problem. I do not why oracle does it - may be to promote ILT. If you read ILT you can finish the test and get out in 20 minutes.
If they cover entire oracle - for example all the reference manuals - you can make tests unbelievably complicated - and then only few people pass.
I don't believe you need ILT to pass. I have not been to a single class given by Oracle. I went to one given by Learning Tree (about 5 years ago) that was Oracle 7 for DBAs. If you use the product read the manuals you can get by. I also have spent a fairly good amount on my own Oracle book library. Using these resources you can do it with out ILT.
You can find each and every OCP question VERBATIM in ILT. If that dependency is broken, potentially there could be many more difficult questions that can make life difficult for OCP.
The test are based off of the ILT. To sell Oracle Classes.
I agree that Oracle can make the certification process harder. What I think they are doing is letting people get the OCA with ease. Making other people work a little harder for the OCP. And the really hardcore will go for the OCM.
Lets face it the certificaiton process supports many other lines of business. Books, education and websites. As long as there is a certification process there will be a supporting market.
The whole thing is that Oracle needs to manage its certificaiton to make sure that there is value behind the paper.
E. Yen
OCP DBA 8, 8i, 9i
You got it eyen! OCP is another cash cow for oracle, to sell their ILT, TBT, OLN, STS etc., The more the merrier.
ARE the questions that you folks referring to at the back of the pdf ILTs??
I've got all the ILTs (except of sql pl/sql...any1 want to share that? :0) and The only questions/exercises are at the end
?????
The pdf's only have the upper part of the real ILT book. I guess the pdf's people are talking about are the ones teachers are using in the class. The ILT book s have slides in teh upper part and text in the bottom of every book. Hope it helps.
Bully for you. There is obviously the "mother tongue" factor. At work, you probably say 'primary key' and 'tablespace' but I say 'pääavain' and 'taulualue', respectively. So, it probably takes a bit more time for people whose mother tongue is not English to understand the questions before they answer.Quote:
I've never spent more than 30 minutes in all the tests I've taken.
I was just merely pointing out that 25 minutes is not unheard of. I'm not saying everybody does it in that much time. I'm not saying that 90 minutes is too much. All I'm saying is I don't think it's unreasonable to pass the 8i upgrade in 25 minutes.Quote:
Originally posted by julian
Pardon me that I am so sceptic but if I say to someone that a guy over the Internet called GARYM, made the 8i upgrade in 25', well, they might not really buy it :-)
It might sound reasonable, it might be true, but I don't believe it. I've been to almost all Oracle exams: I know very well how tricky the questions are. You must be bloody foolish to answer quickly to all questions and not use your time to revise the answers. If someone tells me that (s)he leaves an exam after 25', well Jeff, this inclines me to believe that he might have known the questions in advance.Quote:
All I'm saying is I don't think it's unreasonable to pass the 8i upgrade in 25 minutes.
You are entitled to your opinion.
dude, im with u. when i took my exams, i spend btween 60-80 mins on each one.Quote:
Originally posted by julian
It might sound reasonable, it might be true, but I don't believe it. I've been to almost all Oracle exams: I know very well how tricky the questions are. [/B]
{{dude, im with u. when i took my exams, i spend btween 60-80 mins on each one.}}
I'm waiting for NickL's reply to this one.
im sure it will be a lecture on why he thinks he's better than the rest of us, blah, blah, blah.... we know he's a bitter, frustrated man, we've herd it all b4...
I spent about 70 - 80 mins on all the exams also... it took me about 10 minutes to work up the will to press the FINISH button. But, to see that Green Bar it was a certain relief.
Sweet!
I read in a very slow deliberate way. Any sort of test takes me alot of time, but I rarely have to re-read anything.
At University one of my friends could read an average novel in approximately 30 mins. I could barely turn the pages as fast as she could read. It was comical to watch. She revised for most of her exams by reading the core texts the night before the exams.
Some people can read and comprehend much quicker than others. There's no point comparing yourself to others where skills like this are concerned.
PS. That girl once read a book in the time it took her boyfriend to go to the toilet. I hope it was a short book rather than a world record dump :)
How does it matter anyways. I too take enough time to take exams. I like to read and read again. But everyone has a different approach towards exams, and also towards real life scenarios oracle related or not.
Whats advisable for one is a trivial issue for another.
let's leave the examination issue to be dealt with the examining authorities. I don't understand the boasting part of it anyways but like i said each to his own....
Tarry
well, it wouldn't take you very long if you knew the ANSWERS in advance.Quote:
Originally posted by julian
It might sound reasonable, it might be true, but I don't believe it. I've been to almost all Oracle exams: I know very well how tricky the questions are. You must be bloody foolish to answer quickly to all questions and not use your time to revise the answers. If someone tells me that (s)he leaves an exam after 25', well Jeff, this inclines me to believe that he might have known the questions in advance.Quote:
All I'm saying is I don't think it's unreasonable to pass the 8i upgrade in 25 minutes.
If I know the answer, or can identify what answer the question is looking for then there is no need for mark&review. As stated, some read faster than others. No biggie. As long as you pass, it matters little how long it took you (other than the quicker person got to go have a ham sandwich earlier than you did after the test! Whoop!).
- Magnus